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WI: Successful rebuilding of Iraq and Afghanistan.

#22
Lead by who, Obama, he did nothing before Arab Spring to have these countries reform, and if Afghanistan and Iraq are less violent than OTL i doubt he will see the need to have these countries reform.
Do note, Obama did intervene in Lybia, Iraq and Syria, either directly or indirectly. He's the guy who authorized a hostage rescue operation in Somalia and murdered Osama when he was presented the chance. Also the same guy who sent warships directly contesting Chinese presence in the South China Sea.

He may lack an overarching goal (which is a separate issue), but given the political conditions the US when he's serving? he's capable of taking the opportunity if given the chance. Very capable.
 
#23
Do note, Obama did intervene in Lybia, Iraq and Syria, either directly or indirectly. He's the guy who authorized a hostage rescue operation in Somalia and murdered Osama when he was presented the chance. Also the same guy who sent warships directly contesting Chinese presence in the South China Sea.

He may lack an overarching goal (which is a separate issue), but given the political conditions the US when he's serving? he's capable of taking the opportunity if given the chance. Very capable.
But he will leave a certain colonel alone if there is no Arab Spring.
 
#24
But he will leave a certain colonel alone if there is no Arab Spring.
Nah, that's more of France's stuff rather than the US AFAIK. The US just supported what is essentially a French effort.

Besides, without an Arab Spring happening OTL, Gaddafi is like, what, in his 70s? he doesn't have a lot of time left anyway when he was killed.
 

EiC

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#28
Such a plan, while a good idea, could only work, upon the extirpation of the driving force that caused the whole fustercluck in the first place. Radical Islam. As long as it remains viable and active, true progress is impossible.
Well your post made me realize that radical islam is as meaningless of a term as fascist at this point...
 

EiC

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#30
Bush, Cheney, Al-Zaqwari, Saddam Hussein, Mark Sykes, Francois Georges Picot are all "radical islam." Poverty, corruption, and sectarianism would all be gone if we removed this "radical islam."

Actually can you define radical islam? Some people have actually been able to define fascism pretty successfully.
 

Yesman

Liberal Leftist Thought Police Educator
#31
For Afghanistan, the restoration workers will have to understand the culture of the rural population. When the city-based Afghanistan communist party tried to introduce their somewhat progressive laws on the rural populations, they were hated as they didn't know shit about the rural country.

Government corruption is also a problem as it has caused some rural villages to chose the taliban over the government.
 
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