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his books suck. like, demons that appear and kill U just by looking at U is stupid. his books can burn with all the other racist trashes.
Have you even read his writings? Are you even listening to yourself? I get the impression you've never even read stuff from the Cthulhu Mythos from that statement. The man was good at horror and again he basically created an entire genre of horror. The man was a great writer despite his flaws. This would be like discounting or censoring Tolkien for some of the stuff in his works that could be interpreted as racist despite him having a huge effect on the modern fantasy genre.

Also note that his racism got toned down in his later years, some have speculated it might have had something to do with him having a relationship with a Jewish woman.

Another example would be people like Ray Bradbury (great science fiction writer), who had some pretty racist stuff in some works to the point it was kind of laughable for me, but pretty much all the racist stuff like what was in The Martian Chronicles were written in 40s-50s. He wasn't really all that racist for the time those works were written, yet you're acting like good literature should be destroyed or censored based on modern standards. The guy wrote "There Will Come Soft Rains" which is a great short story and "Fahrenheit 451" which has been banned or censored sometimes despite the irony of doing so. Both have even been adapted by others. Discounting all his works because of certain things that weren't unusual for the time is idiotic and screams of something so called moral guardians would do.

Another example, some old Looney Tunes cartoons were pretty racist, but again you have to consider the time they were made. Some such as "Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips" and "Tokyo Jokio" were war propaganda for example.

Warner Brothers actually put this disclaimer before certain cartoons:
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I have to agree that censoring works (or history for that matter) because it offends us now is like claiming what we now find offensive never happened.
 
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Both have even been adapted by others. Discounting all his works because of certain things that weren't unusual for the time is idiotic and screams of something so called moral guardians would do.

Another example, some old Looney Tunes cartoons were pretty racist, but again you have to consider the time they were made. Some such as "Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips" and "Tokyo Jokio" were war propaganda for example.
Yes, she has read things about Tolkein and HP Lovecraft. And what she just read in Your Link, is, he describe monsters a 'black skinned.' That screams racism to this girl. Tho she can see that some writers try very hard to overcome their prejudices. Fact is tho prejudices can't be excuse, they have to be challenged, and challenging a prejudice is not like 'silencing a writer,' they can still write and show off whatevs they wanna.

And the things she read about Lovecraft was he make up demons that do twisted shit constantly for no reason. How are those good books? She does like Fahrenheit 451 tho.

is like claiming what we now find offensive never happened.
Not really, nobody said 'censor history' U are twisting a simple plea that somebody stop idolizing fucking killers on public spaces. How is asking politely for somebody 2 stop, or even not so, when some peoples actually got their shit kick in by self-profess 'nazis?'

Yes, they suck, and she would love to show this writer dude how much they suck.
 
Azathoth, sometimes referred to as the "Blind Idiot God", is a dreaming monster whose dream is where the universe resides. Azathoth is completely unaware of anything going on in the dream; hence his title. Azathoth also shifts in his slumber, causing reality to change. Some believe the reader is Azathoth, reading Lovecraft's books and 'dreaming' up the universe.
Changing reality for no reason.

The Blackness from the Stars is an immobile blob of living, sentient darkness, torn from the primal fabric of the cosmos at the center of the universe. It is distinguishable in darkness only as vaguely shimmering oily pitch. Although intelligent, it speaks no known language and ignores attempts to communicate.
Ignores ppls 2 death, and describe as 'darkness.' Like, all evil is 'dark,' rite?

A man-eating cloudy mass, unnamed Outer God at the court of Azathoth.
Eats ppls for no reason.

Aiueb Gnshal (The Eyes Between Worlds, The Child-Minded God)[4] is a mysterious Outer God, who has his abode in a forgotten temple located somewhere in Bhutan. He appears as a formless black void, with seven pulsing orb-like eyes, and is mainly worshiped by ghouls, which tribute him in a defiled cult described in the mysterious Cambuluc Scrolls of the wizard Lang-Fu, dating back 1295 AD. Peering through the eyes of this god, after a hideous and devastating ritual, allows one to see straight into Azathoth's court. It is rumoured that the powers of Mongolian warlord Temujin, was a favour of Aiueb Gnshal.
Making up a demon that 'lives in other countries' and worshipped by sick cults for no reason. And throwing in 'hideous and devastating' rituals so U can watch ppls. For no reason.

Not a liar, U guys just love racist fuckers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu_Mythos_deities
 
Well, I can tell you're a liar. That never happens in those stories.

Not once.
Agreed.

I mean if you're calling the eldritch horrors in the Mythos "demons" you're kind of missing the point. They're not demons as humans understand them, the Great Old Ones are closer to hyper advanced aliens more than anything else, in some cases such as the Mi-Go (which are not Great Old Ones) this is explicit.

Also it should be noted that people going insane just by looking at or being in the presence of things like Cthulhu is something other writers in the Mythos added later on. In Lovecraft's original works people don't simply go insane from looking at a Great Old One or being in their presence. What drives people insane in the original works is often the realization that there are things much larger than humanity out there and humans are less than insects to them.

The thing about Lovecraft's work is not that the universe and the beings inhabiting it are good or evil, rather the universe is simply cold and unfeeling. The recurring theme is that the universe and the beings beyond humanity that inhabit it simply do not care.

Changing reality for no reason.


Ignores ppls 2 death, and describe as 'darkness.' Like, all evil is 'dark,' rite?


Eats ppls for no reason.


Making up a demon that 'lives in other countries' and worshipped by sick cults for no reason. And throwing in 'hideous and devastating' rituals so U can watch ppls. For no reason.

Not a liar, U guys just love racist fuckers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu_Mythos_deities
First off you're referencing works that Lovecraft himself didn't write. Second as I noted above, the theme here is that the universe is cold and unfeeling rather than being malevolent with beings beyond human comprehension that simply don't factor humans into the equation because for them it would be like caring about random microbes. You need to understand the Great Old Ones are not actually evil, even in most works that Lovecraft didn't write. They're amoral and do not care about anything but their own eldritch and incomprehensible interests. They don't think like humans and humans are destined to fall just like races before them. What is horrific in Lovecraft's works is that humans don't matter.

"The human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'. Only egotism exists."

Amorality and egotism and the lack of ability for species such as human to affect things in the greater universe due to much more powerful beings being out there are a big part of the idea behind cosmicism.

And beings like the Great Old Ones don't even intentionally create human cults. Humans observe them and think they're gods then start worshiping them.

If the Great Old Ones did arrive and take over earth, they would either kill every human on the planet with the same level of caring a human would put into exterminating a roach infestation or you'd get something like this:
"...mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom. "
 
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"...mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom. "
Umm, he say 'holocaust,' he say 'kill ppls' and:

"The human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'. Only egotism exists."
this an extremely hopeless and insulting message. nothing humans do matters 'cause some beings that steal places in other countries or freaking 'Shub-Niggurath.' and all the female 'deities' are describe as extremely disgusting and 2 pump out babies. dunno what this seem like to anybody else?

They're amoral and do not care about anything but their own eldritch and incomprehensible interests. They don't think like humans and humans are destined to fall just like races before them. What is horrific in Lovecraft's works is that humans don't matter.
and this would be fine, even liberating peoples from 'Victorian fiction' would be lovely and worth writing about. thing is he didn't stop at just writing about deities that fuck with humans or how nothing makes sense. he soaks it in actual racist words and misogyny instead. anyway, she can see U guys love these dudes tho, and talking about this U don't seem to be listening just dismissing everything she says?

so she gonna get lost from this thread, Thank You for making her leave another public space. meow.
 
Umm, he say 'holocaust,' he say 'kill ppls' and:
You do realize "holocaust" has a meaning beyond the genocide of the Nazis right? and that Lovecraft died before WW II? Stop interpreting things as offensive when they really aren't.
this an extremely hopeless and insulting message. nothing humans do matters 'cause some beings that steal places in other countries or freaking 'Shub-Niggurath.' and all the female 'deities' are describe as extremely disgusting and 2 pump out babies. dunno what this seem like to anybody else?
You're not getting that the lack of control humans have in cosmic horror stories is a main aspect of the horror and just taking offense at it.

The Great Old Ones and Outer Gods are not male or female, they are beyond that petty notion. Shub-Niggurath is only referred to as feminine because it creates life. It's female because that's what humans think it is, but's that's not the truth of the matter. Hell, Shub-Niggurath is often portrayed as actually being hermaphroditic as well.
so she gonna get lost from this thread, Thank You for making her leave another public space. meow.
Yes... please... blame other people again for you being an idiot and having no idea what you're talking about. Predictable.

Also why the hell are you referring to yourself in the third person now? It makes you seem kind of stupid.
 
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Excess trolling is against site policy
You do realize "holocaust" has a meaning beyond the genocide of the Nazis right? and that Lovecraft died before WW II? Stop interpreting things as offensive when they really aren't.
Yes, sure it does.

You're not getting that the lack of control humans have in cosmic horror stories is a main aspect of the horror and just taking offense at it.

The Great Old Ones and Outer Gods are not male or female, they are beyond that petty notion. Shub-Niggurath is only referred to as feminine because it creates life. It's female because that's what human think it is, but's that's not the truth of the matter. Hell, Shub-Niggurath is often portrayed as actually being hermaphroditic as well.
How interesting.

Yes... please... blame other people again for you being an idiot and having no idea what you're talking about. Predictable.

Also why the hell are you referring to yourself in the third person now? It makes you seem kind of stupid.
Yes, she's a total idiot and don't know nothing. That's why she quotes where his works are actually calling for demons, yes they demons, to kill tons of 'other races to make way for their race.' She shows U guys what's wrong with his stories and U just wanna suck on him about how great he is. Kaykay tho, it not others' faults, it all my fault. We done yet?

why can't a kitty talk about herself like that? and she don't care U feel she stupid~ friends are leaving and she's alone in the middle of a huge mess, don't mind her suffering tho, kitties need to be alone in cages.
 
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Oh please, you're a walking heresy.

Wait, do you walk?
there's tons of heresies in this thread, one more from a brilliant man won't make it any worse.

here's one: this girl already 5'10'' and she loves super high heels, the taller the better.
 
Changing reality for no reason.

That isn't even what that says.

Ignores ppls 2 death, and describe as 'darkness.' Like, all evil is 'dark,' rite?

I repeat the above statement.

Eats ppls for no reason.

Ah yes, those lions, eating that rabbit for no reason. What monsters. Why, there's no sense to it at all.

-_-

Making up a demon that 'lives in other countries' and worshipped by sick cults for no reason. And throwing in 'hideous and devastating' rituals so U can watch ppls. For no reason.

Foreign god being evil in a cosmic horror story, who could have seen that one coming. Ya know that cthulhu sleeps off the coast of like maine right? He has worshippers in the USA, all the "gods" do.

Also, never once is the term "demon" used.
 
Stop it. You are not a psychic. You are not a psycho-analyst. Sometimes a uniform can just look cool.
kaykay stopping meow. and Sarcobite. You ain't funny. If that what U guys believe about me then not coming back here ever, starting meow.

and they are demons Vyor. that is what the description says. it gives no reasons this thing does what it does. neither does other description. Lovecraft sucks. pls get over it. U boring me.
 
kaykay stopping meow. and Sarcobite. You ain't funny. If that what U guys believe about me then not coming back here ever, starting meow.

and they are demons Vyor. that is what the description says. it gives no reasons this thing does what it does. neither does other description. Lovecraft sucks. pls get over it. U boring me.
Okay, goddamit you are making me defend Vyor.

Lovecraft did not write about demons. All of his creatures are aliens of various sorts, they have no connection with the Christian idea of demons, and only tangental connection with the original Daemonion (any supernatural being not one of the Olympians). Likewise, Darkness being evil is not a reflection of racism, but is used to represent Humanity's fear of the unknown and unseen. The horror of Lovecraft's works, for the most part was directed at the idea that humans matter. He made it clear that in his mythos we don't. We are so far below the real things of import that they rarely even notice we exist. Nothing we do matters, because we are bacteria by comparison. It's meant to trigger that same reflexive defense of our place in the universe that makes creationists insist that we are special and created differently despite all evidence to the contrary. That's what Cosmic Horror is, the realization that we are worthless, that our actions change nothing, and that there are things out there, things that do matter. Lovecraft's creations don't harm us by looking at us, we harm ourselves by looking at them because our minds reject the reality of their existence as something that *must* not be. It drives us mad trying to understand something so different. For the most part they aren't malicious (Nyarlathotep is a dick though), they just don't care that we exist, anymore than you care about the trillions upon trillions of microscopic lifeforms you interact with on a daily basis.
 
Lovecraft does suck. Add that to my controversial opinions.
That's fine. I honestly think that others have done far better with his creations than he did.

Here's one: the best Lovecraftian writer was Robert E. Howard.
 
there's tons of heresies in this thread, one more from a brilliant man won't make it any worse.

here's one: this girl already 5'10'' and she loves super high heels, the taller the better.
I dislike trying to read minds and decide who is or isn't trolling, but I've got several reports from this thread concerning you Kitten and refering to Sacrobite of all people as a brilliant man when all he does is troll has convinced me beyond reasonable doubt.

Stop trolling @sneakykitten, it has indeed become excessive.
 
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I dislike trying to read minds and decide who is or isn't trolling, but I've got several reports from this thread concerning you Kitten and refering to Sacrobite of all people as a brilliant man when all he does is troll has convinced me beyond reasonable doubt.

Stop trolling @sneakykitten, it has indeed become excessive.
she was never trolling. she honestly believes Sarcobite a nice guy 'til he tells her she a psychic Mistress who wanna crush ppls. that's fine tho, a point against her won't kill her, even tho she was never trolling.
 
she was never trolling. she honestly believes Sarcobite a nice guy 'til he tells her she a psychic Mistress who wanna crush ppls. that's fine tho, a point against her won't kill her, even tho she was never trolling.

Stealthy Juvenile Feline, are you referring to yourself in the third person again?
 
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