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Post all things related to the War in Ukraine here such as troop movements, offensives, stuff arriving in Ukraine etc.
 
I´ve just saw the news, in wich Ukraine requested german made Taurus Missiles.
German MOD has confirmed the request. An OK hasn´t been give yet, but we can assume that they are giving a go.

Note: I cannot find an actual english language video regarding that.
I found only german video´s regarding that.
 
Rufus Shinra said:
Congratulations on the second most powerful army in Russia for a new milestone!



More than two thousand tanks visually confirmed lost, what an achievement to be celebrated.
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Does the EU even have 2k tanks?

I'm serious, counting the Cold War stockpiles of course.
 
Rufus Shinra said:

Optimizing Europe-s Main Battle Tank Capabilities

Tanker Capability
eda.europa.eu

'The number of MBTs in EU Member States has regularly decreased, from 15.000 in the year 2000 to just 5.000 today.'

Most individual EU countries tend to have 100 to 500 MBT each.
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The question of how many tanks a country should have, vs how many it can afford to maintain, vs the politics of it...

Someone in the military here, told me once that MBTs as you call them were an obsolete concept. That the future of war was going to all be special forces teams and the like.
I think his opinion was premature on the matter. But one can foresee a future in which anti-tank weaponry gets so good, and so common, that tanks will have a very limited role.
 
Scottty said:
The question of how many tanks a country should have, vs how many it can afford to maintain, vs the politics of it...

Someone in the military here, told me once that MBTs as you call them were an obsolete concept. That the future of war was going to all be special forces teams and the like.
I think his opinion was premature on the matter. But one can foresee a future in which anti-tank weaponry gets so good, and so common, that tanks will have a very limited role.
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The end of the tank was announced almost as often as the collapse of the EU.
 
Rufus Shinra said:
The end of the tank was announced almost as often as the collapse of the EU.
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Indeed.
Some of it was people who thought tanks obsolete because they would no longer be needed, that mass warfare between industrial nation-states was a thing of the past, all future military actions would be COIN or peacekeeping, etc etc.
Then the 21st century arrived.

And some of it comes from people who think tanks obsolete because this or that new weapon is good at killing tanks. By that logic, infantry have been "obsolete" for thousands of years.

The point is that the people making the decisions about funding for things like tanks, will often have their heads stuck in the past - or in an imaginary future.
 
Jakarta said:
Does the EU even have 2k tanks?

I'm serious, counting the Cold War stockpiles of course.
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Well.

Greece has around 1200 tanks active and a few hundred more in storage and the Balkan EU states got upwards to a thousand each or even 2k tanks.

Quality and types vary wildly but one of the things that comes with countries in the frontline of the Iron Curtain or having such nice neigbhors like Turkey is ALOT of gear of the tankish or artillery variety.

So to answer your question while the *core* EU members probably don't have that many MBTs if push comes to shove the amount of iron the likes of Greece, Poland etc can turn out would probably roll over any comer.
 
Eliar said:
Well.

Greece has around 1200 tanks active and a few hundred more in storage and the Balkan EU states got upwards to a thousand each or even 2k tanks.

Quality and types vary wildly but one of the things that comes with countries in the frontline of the Iron Curtain or having such nice neigbhors like Turkey is ALOT of gear of the tankish or artillery variety.

So to answer your question while the *core* EU members probably don't have that many MBTs if push comes to shove the amount of iron the likes of Greece, Poland etc can turn out would probably roll over any comer.
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Of course, what the core EU members have is an air force and a navy capable of making sure that the 'remove vatnik' song of the Eastern ones can be played in full orchestral mode.
 
Kamakura bakufu said:

If security concerns are the reason to start this war then it have done a bad job to solve it.
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Nah, security as interpreted by Putin and ilk was about the size of their imperial frontiers/fiefs/buffer clients. Whether the great unwashed kills each other for scraps outside of the imperial power centers of Moscow and St. Petersburg is little concern of theirs. Like how similar things happened all over other places like in South Ossetia, or the Donbas, when newly formed "People's Republics" quickly turned into ganglands, where various gangs fought over turf and political influence, until the one that got the most of the latter from Moscow got the upper hand and crushed the others. Fun times, never mind, that region's economic value went down because lol, it was like 90s Somalia, but with vodka and more heavy weapons, but at least the boss in Moscow could paint a little more territory to his colors, like it's a game of Europe Universalis IV ...
 
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Rufus Shinra said:
Recently published photos by the Pole volunteer unit confirm that Polish volunteers were part of the raid in Russia, making them the first NATO guys to invade the place. Congratulations to all of them for making 99 % of their country proud!
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About Belgorod, it is one of the things before 2023 people would have think "no way this is gonna happen irl". Also I feel like the presence of RVC make publishing this raid in the west awkward.
 
Kamakura bakufu said:
About Belgorod, it is one of the things before 2023 people would have think "no way this is gonna happen irl". Also I feel like the presence of RVC make publishing this raid in the west awkward.
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Meh, it sounds awesome. I hope they got pictures of their APCs with winged hussards cosplay.
 
I hear in the news that Russia has "destroyed" a lot of enemy Forces. Is this the usual hogwash of Russians or is there something more ??
 
Aetherius said:
I hear in the news that Russia has "destroyed" a lot of enemy Forces. Is this the usual hogwash of Russians or is there something more ??
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Aetherius said:
I hear in the news that Russia has "destroyed" a lot of enemy Forces. Is this the usual hogwash of Russians or is there something more ??
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Something is happening, as pro-Russian media started to scream about successfully repulsing multiple invasions along the fronts since yesterday, but apart from that there isn't much elsewhere. Except that the People's Republic of Belgorod gaining about a hundred square kilometers in the recent days, as the raid didn't met with the expected resistance.
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On the other hand, official word is:
www.bbc.com

Ukraine war: 'Offensive actions' under way in east, Kyiv says

Ukrainian military sources say a series of small-scale operations are under way, including in Bakhmut.
www.bbc.com
 
Fog of war?
 
So by the looks of it the bigass dam that fed Crimea and threatened Kherson was blown.

Interesting times
 
Eliar said:
So by the looks of it the bigass dam that fed Crimea and threatened Kherson was blown.

Interesting times
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Yeah, the Wikipedia page has already been updated. Apparently the Russians also let the water fill up to the top first.

In May of 2023 water levels reached their highest recorded levels and water looked like it had started to flow over the top of the dam.[19] The rise appeared to be the result of Russia keeping too many gates closed.[19]

On the morning of June 6, 2023, a significant portion of the dam was destroyed releasing a large amount of water downstream.
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