(moving to Tangent and Derail Thread because this now has nothing to do with Ravelry)
So, yes, you would, actually, send people who escaped the communist dictatorship right back in
Nice opinion, bro.
So interesting to see "Progressive" Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run.
The initial statement rests on the fact they and/or their families come from shithole countries and are calling for
large changes. How the government is to operate. They have relatively easy claims to citizenship, and thereby access to political power, in these shithole countries, so Trump's saying that, before they call for massive overhauls like the Green New Deal or shutting down border control, they should go and prove their ideas can work by fixing places actually in need of serious fixing before telling the country that's been on top for the last 70 years or so under
very different premises to theirs how it should be operating.
In case you can't tell, I'm explaining that what Trump's saying isn't actually a blanket statement of any real generalization, save that of ignoring they're (mostly)
descendants of immigrants rather than immigrants themselves.
My own position? I very much agree with "go fix shithole countries with your wild overhaul ideas before attempting them on one of the
actually functioning countries". Those places
need big changes, and they can't get all that much worse if you fuck up. The US has a nearly incomprehensible amount to lose, and could very much drag the whole world down with it.
My reasoning is entirely about the risk/reward ratio. There's little risk to trying sweeping changes in Somalia, because it's pretty much rock-bottom already, and even if it were brought up to par with the
bad parts of Mexico, it'd be a vast improvement, because then there's at least
some semblance of food and water security, even if the rest of the standard of living is still utter shit.
Nothing to do with ethnic blame, but rather a matter of "the first-world countries aren't outright
broken, so don't try big sweeping fixes in them when there's other places you can test them first that
are broken and in actual need of fixing."
before you could deign to allow them equal rights with the "natives"/descendants of actual fucking invaders.
Nice racism you've got there, crying about shit from far over a hundred years ago with not a single bastard responsible alive today. There's something of a difference between five generations or more back and one,
maybe two generations ago with an active refusal to integrate with the local norms.
Seriously, how the sweet fucking hell is this line
less bad than what Trump's saying? Hell, Trump himself is almost entirely divorced from this, because his family immigrated at the turn of the 20th century, and promptly set to work integrating to such a degree that they Anglicized their names in respect of the country they immigrated to. Meanwhile, the Congresswomen that Trump is going after with these tweets
actively say America is a bad country, call for the deliberate destruction of its social norms, and have advocated for such things as
Sharia Law and
command-economy socialism. You want to hurl shit at Europeans
as a whole for the shitshow of Native American conquest? Look up where their families come from, then look up the history of those places in terms of conflicts.
Look into the history of women's rights and the treatment of other ethnicities in the countries their families come from. You know, give a level playing field, blame
both groups for the shit their ancestors got up to and not just the white people. Unless you want to be a disgusting racist, I suppose. I mean, you're a disgusting racist if you
do follow that advice, but you'd at least not
also be a raging hypocrite.
It's not their homelands though. AOC is AMERICAN.
If you think she isn't because her family is from Purto RICO that IS racist.
This would be why I put "familial" in parenthesis. At least one of the congresswomen prodded at actually is an immigrant herself, to my recollection, and I'm trying to explain what Trump's tweets
actually say, rather than making my own claims. Apologies for not immediately distancing my own views from the explanation of Trump's, I don't do all that much explaining of other's views, so I'm not really in any habits of such distancing. Doesn't help that I get slammed as a bigoted asshole even when I
do have such distancing, like that time I tried to have a D&D alignment debate on Slavery in the D&D thread on SV and everyone was constantly completely ignoring the fact I was talking about D&D two-axis alignment and the needs of medieval-esque settings instead of actual ethics.