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Politics in Games or: how I learned GG was right

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Uh, no actually. Bohemia has never had a large amount of africans.
You know Vyor, I was actually thinking about the complete and total lack of JEWS in the game (Bohemia had one of the highest concentrations in central Europe at the time), the cookie cutter revenge story, the fact every non-Czech in the game is basically just portrayed as a barbarian, many things about the game really. But it's funny, without prompting from me you jump right into justification on it being a lily white wonderland.

This, I feel, speaks volumes on its own. Goodbye Vyor, it's been hilarious.

Actual bloody historians were involved in the development of the game
There's a lot of nonsense going on here, but I think we can just cut to the chase and ask:

Such as?
 
You know Vyor, I was actually thinking about the complete and total lack of JEWS in the game (Bohemia had one of the highest concentrations in central Europe at the time), the cookie cutter revenge story, the fact every non-Czech in the game is basically just portrayed as a barbarian, many things about the game really. But it's funny, without prompting from me you jump right into justification on it being a lily white wonderland.

You actually meet and speak to a few non-bohemians that aren't evil, but you know. Of course, I don't think religion ever comes up in the game in general, not super accurate on that front but it doesn't bring up christianity either so...
 
How does one dox someone who's address and name are already known? Also would you rather me use "cunt" instead? I use asshole and dick for men, one of which was actually fired during the whole Price thing but was for some reason not covered and Price being fired was blamed on misogyny, weird right? Almost like the media has an agenda...


I am rather unable to find the source I was going off of when this all started, so i'll withdraw that claim.

But this is one of the, uh, "death threats" she received via email:


That's, uh, ya. Very "credible" as a death threat right there...


Citation needed.


He was debating Spencer. Do ya even have eyes? Can ya read what his videos are titled? Or read descriptions? Do the bare minimum of fact checking ffs.



Everyone should oppose identity politics. Nazis are identity politics too! And modern day feminism isn't about equal rights bar places like saudi arabia. It's about power and one of the "feminists" that was elected into a leadership position has admitted such.



Far as I know, no one has specifically gone after female creators bar Zoe Quinn, and she has done some unethical things. She didn't deserve the harassment and threats, but it's the internet, everyone with publicity receives those, right and left. I wouldn't be surprised if even people that are literally just reporting on facts, like Phillip Defranco, have gotten death threats and harassment.


Uh, no. That was it's main target. Like, they went hard after this stuff. Just... look at r/KotakuInAction and do a search for that stuff. You'll find plenty there.



Or it can be something not that and instead bitching about not getting what you paid 60$ for. And then not buying the game.

And then explaining the P2W parts are why they aren't.

Sounds like capitalism to me, voting with your wallet and voicing why you are doing so.



So have right wing ones.

Also women in games. Those have been around since the beginning. Ms. Pacman being a major example(apparently she was not Pacman's wife which leads to me thinking sister). Then you have others of course, Samus and Laura Croft being the outright most famous examples, Samus being one of the most famous characters in videogame history.

Gamers, notably, have never had a problem with this.



Uh, no actually. Bohemia has never had a large amount of africans.

Southern europe has a history of such, but not bohemia. Give me one example of a black bohemian in the, what, 14th century? Just one that wasn't a trader(reminder: the game is not set near any trade routes).



He's not exactly saying this. He's trying to get across that most games don't refer to real world politics when made. Most games, when they have a gay character, don't go "See, he's gay and that's normal! But look how hated he is by everyone not the main character! Do ya get it? Geeeet iiiitttt?"

Most games just... have a character who is gay. And that's it. Which is a good thing, even if you do care about that type of thing, because it normalizes the concept. Pointing it out and extolling it... just makes it abnormal. It makes it the other. Treating it as just a thing makes it normal and accepted.

But anyway, that is what he's referring to when he says they aren't really all the political. I would call Watch_Dogs a rather political game myself, not because of the characters in it but because of the message. Letting corporations control everything and letting them have all of your data is, well, bad.
I actually agree with your response to my post, there's been games with pretty much any themes you want to mention and every kind of protagonist. People asking for more of the one they like shouldn't be attacked. What annoys me is the reverse, where people get angry with games that are made for someone else instead of them. So people asking for more progressive games are fine. People asking for more games of whatever sort are fine. But attacking people for asking for (insert game theme) are assholes.
 
I actually agree with your response to my post, there's been games with pretty much any themes you want to mention and every kind of protagonist. People asking for more of the one they like shouldn't be attacked. What annoys me is the reverse, where people get angry with games that are made for someone else instead of them. So people asking for more progressive games are fine. People asking for more games of whatever sort are fine. But attacking people for asking for (insert game theme) are assholes.

Of course the issue comes from when a group demands that all games be made for them and them alone, blaming society's ills on games their opponents tend to like. Anita did this, misrepresenting what games were asking you as the player to do(you do not in fact get points for killing civilians, let alone get points for killing strippers).

And then you have attacking people because they... Honestly I don't even know what was going through these people's heads:
https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/224400/Gamers_dont_have_to_be_your_audience_Gamers_are_over.php
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/art...he-Gamers-Image-is-Dead-and-We-Should-Bury-It
https://kotaku.com/we-might-be-witnessing-the-death-of-an-identity-1628203079

Honestly, since when is attacking an entire sub-culture the right thing to do? It's an easy thing to do, as shown by whenever a politician attacks said sub-cultures for whatever has recently gone wrong(shootings, hippies, decrease in church numbers, a fucking forest fire...) but... isn't the media supposed to be better than that? They're supposed to shine the light of truth on what politicians don't want you to see, not do... that. Attacking your own audience is just disgraceful, and rather stupid.
 
Of course the issue comes from when a group demands that all games be made for them and them alone, blaming society's ills on games their opponents tend to like. Anita did this, misrepresenting what games were asking you as the player to do(you do not in fact get points for killing civilians, let alone get points for killing strippers).

And then you have attacking people because they... Honestly I don't even know what was going through these people's heads:
https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/224400/Gamers_dont_have_to_be_your_audience_Gamers_are_over.php
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/art...he-Gamers-Image-is-Dead-and-We-Should-Bury-It
https://kotaku.com/we-might-be-witnessing-the-death-of-an-identity-1628203079

Honestly, since when is attacking an entire sub-culture the right thing to do? It's an easy thing to do, as shown by whenever a politician attacks said sub-cultures for whatever has recently gone wrong(shootings, hippies, decrease in church numbers, a fucking forest fire...) but... isn't the media supposed to be better than that? They're supposed to shine the light of truth on what politicians don't want you to see, not do... that. Attacking your own audience is just disgraceful, and rather stupid.
I never read any gaming media after I stopped needing Nintendo power for the insanely cryptic shit and poor translations, so not so familiar with them other than that they shill for the AAAs, EA above all others.
 
I never read any gaming media after I stopped needing Nintendo power for the insanely cryptic shit and poor translations, so not so familiar with them other than that they shill for the AAAs, EA above all others.

Heh, that sounds about right. Those guys are among the biggest, right up there with IGN.

They are also really far left. Gamasutra is an ex gawker property IIRC.
 

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The parts in red/underline cannot be stressed enough...
 
How does one dox someone who's address and name are already known? Also would you rather me use "cunt" instead? I use asshole and dick for men, one of which was actually fired during the whole Price thing but was for some reason not covered and Price being fired was blamed on misogyny, weird right? Almost like the media has an agenda...

Her address wasn't publicly know before it go doxxed...

Posting someones address online, phone calling their family and threating to kill them is usually considered doxing.

And I would prefer you to stop using gendered insults for both sexes.

But this is one of the, uh, "death threats" she received via email:

That's, uh, ya. Very "credible" as a death threat right there...

Anonymous idiots on the internet who lie and don't use spellcheck aren't exactly rare. If it was a false flag by Anita, it would be have been more credible.,

After all, I have it on good authority she's a machiavellian master planner who understands 4chan well enough to pull off complex schemes that successfully manipulated them into make her one of the most famous people on the internet. (Sarcasm).

Citation needed.

Here. And here.

He was debating Spencer
. Do ya even have eyes? Can ya read what his videos are titled? Or read descriptions? Do the bare minimum of fact checking ffs.

Here's their chat. Which is what they called it. It was a multi person live chat, not a two person debate.

On it Sargon treats Spencer with more respect than he does "cultural marxists", and the have civil disagreements where they focus on their mutual enemies. And a reminder that Richard Spencer said Sargon of Akkad to be a great entry point back when gamergate was happening.

should oppose identity politics. Nazis are identity politics too! And modern day feminism isn't about equal rights bar places like saudi arabia. It's about power and one of the "feminists" that was elected into a leadership position has admitted such.

Citation on everything about Feminism.

In the USA for example left identity politics is a reaction to right wing identity politics. Using institutional racism to maintain defects racial segregation means that classic liberals and people who want to improve society are going to class. And since the Republican Party and it's base is out hurt minorities, putting aside your differences and working together against your common enemy is a pretty basic idea. I'd prefer an internationalist cosmopolitan world to one with identity politics, but sadly nationalists and social conservatives are powerful enough that you have to chose a side.

And Sargon of Akkad chose to ally with UKIP and Richard Spencer.

Far as I know, no one has specifically gone after female creators bar Zoe Quinn, and she has done some unethical things. She didn't deserve the harassment and threats, but it's the internet, everyone with publicity receives those, right and left.
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Uh, no. That was it's main target. Like, they went hard after this stuff. Just... look at r/KotakuInAction and do a search for that stuff. You'll find plenty there.

Gamergate started out as a movement called the Quinspiracy made for the sole purpose of attacking Zoey Quinn. The founder effect results in this entire attitude infecting the rest of the movement. And since this group of idiots also hated Anita Sarkisian, they decided the movement should also focus on attacking her. And this basically doomed the movement from the start, since it started a war on two fronts and created a theatre of war where the type of people who hand out harassment and threats became the face of the movement.

If GGs main target was the video game industry, why were they wasting time going after peoples like Anita and Zoe? I mean, there was video game companies paying for prostitutes to reward game journalists for giving them good reviews, so why start a war with potential ideological allies in the middle of planning to taking on a billion dollar industry?

He's not exactly saying this. He's trying to get across that most games don't refer to real world politics when made. Most games, when they have a gay character, don't go "See, he's gay and that's normal! But look how hated he is by everyone not the main character! Do ya get it? Geeeet iiiitttt?"

Most games just... have a character who is gay. And that's it. Which is a good thing, even if you do care about that type of thing, because it normalizes the concept. Pointing it out and extolling it... just makes it abnormal. It makes it the other. Treating it as just a thing makes it normal and accepted.

But anyway, that is what he's referring to when he says they aren't really all the political. I would call Watch_Dogs a rather political game myself, not because of the characters in it but because of the message. Letting corporations control everything and letting them have all of your data is, well, bad.

That's good writing. Which is exactly the people advocating for such characters want. Because as you just said, it normalises the concept. The concept your criticising is called tokenism. And token character are not liked.

The people extolling is a symptom of the culture war. When the concepts become normalised and don't result in a constant conservative gamer backlash, people will promptly stop caring.

I also agree with you on games being political because of the message. Aka the same thing that makes popular profit driven movies political. Which is exactly what I was referring to:

Most video games are purely entertainment, not intended to make any point, so unless there's a very blatantly political statement, like the anti-immigration lines from DOOM: Eternal's trailer, don't read in political messages into something from a medium that is expressly and primarily entertainment.

...You don't read detailed political messages into garbage-tier soaps on broadcast television, do you?...

Games mostly exist to entertain, not to be profound art. Much like television and movies. They're commercial products first and foremost, and often solely.

And the thing is, people have been reading messages from television and movies for a long time. The recent movie Black Panther for example.

Video game storytelling largely is, and should be, to tell a story to sell a franchise of games, not to make artistic or political points.

Hence why I mentioned Frozen being political in Japan. It was made to further the Disney brand and yes, it did make a very minor political statement that statement was intended to be a meta-commentary on previous Disney movies.

Making a story to sell a vidoegame franchise can similarly end up being political. Modern Warfare puts ideas in their games and asks political questions about the ethics of militaries (the false flag nuking, the airport level, allowing the player to realistically torture people for information). (LINK). And I believe Grand Theft Auto does something similar about crime in the USA.

Just because a video game was made to sell a game franchise doesn't stop them making political points. And you can bet the people writing the games are putting actual effort into their craft.

They're for-profit companies on deadlines to keep getting money, they don't have the privilege to speak their minds if the public doesn't like it. For many of them, it's one flop and they're fucked. So they dig for every single scrap of market appeal they can, and the moment they trust the journalists, they end up fucked because they're pandering to a vocal minority that largely doesn't serve as customers.

Video game writers and developers are treated horribly by the industry. And they do appeal to every scrap of market appeal they can. However video game journalists have nothing to do with this, since they're paid shills who give games good reviews in return for future access and/or money. Video game journalists aren't the ones in charge, let alone making suggestions to the writers, that's the actual corporate executives and managers who are in charge and decides what games get made and who the target audience is.

Market appeal is determined by statistics and surveys, not by video game journalists talking to writers. Management calls all the shots, decides what games to green light use safe predictions based on past sales.

It's awe inspiring that even under such a system, the people still manage to create art.

Of course the issue comes from when a group demands that all games be made for them and them alone, blaming society's ills on games their opponents tend to like.

But applies just as much to Gamergate. They don't want games to made if those games won't appear to them, attack anyone who tries to do so, and insists that "sjw's", feminists and "cultural marxists" are responsible for all societies ills.

Anita did this, misrepresenting what games were asking you as the player to do(you do not in fact get points for killing civilians, let alone get points for killing strippers).

I agree Anita is overrated and made mistakes in her views. The problem is all she did was apply basic feminist film theory to video games. She wasn't saying anything new and was never a credible threat. Do you view feminist film theory as an threat to hollywood movies?

The Gamergate decide to make attacking her a core point of their movement. Which made her into a martyr, made them the aggressors and showed the movement attacking someone who wasn't part of the gaming industry and had nothing to do with ethics in gaming journalism.

And then you have attacking people because they... Honestly I don't even know what was going through these people's heads:
https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/224400/Gamers_dont_have_to_be_your_audience_Gamers_are_over.php
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/art...he-Gamers-Image-is-Dead-and-We-Should-Bury-It
https://kotaku.com/we-might-be-witnessing-the-death-of-an-identity-1628203079

Honestly, since when is attacking an entire sub-culture the right thing to do? It's an easy thing to do, as shown by whenever a politician attacks said sub-cultures for whatever has recently gone wrong(shootings, hippies, decrease in church numbers, a fucking forest fire...) but... isn't the media supposed to be better than that? They're supposed to shine the light of truth on what politicians don't want you to see, not do... that. Attacking your own audience is just disgraceful, and rather stupid.

All of those articles have "Gamer" in quotes for a reason. The flaws they critiquing were real flaws in contemporary gaming culture, which were amplified by being channel through 4chan. And having a decentralised movement based on 4chan with a public faces like Milo made it worse. (He though gamers were trash before he joined the movement, did so purely to attack leftists and get attention, and somehow become 10% of the movements favourite celebrity). GG had an image problem from the start, and the media didn't have a lot to work with. And one side having actual public leaders that use intellectual arguments and are under constant attack by sexist shitposters made image problem this yet worse.

In the media's defence, video games weren't as mainstream back then, and they were trying to critique the problematic parts of the culture. Because teenage boys hurling slurs on the internet is a pain, and the idea of gamers being all boys club where locker room behaviour was acceptable did genuinely needs to die. The media was trying to sell papers and explain what was happening to a mainstream audience, and black and white moral battle over the soul of gaming was what both sides were claiming. And one side was far easier to explain than the other...
 
This is all more evidence that the left are full of stuffy people who have no sense of fun. They find racism under every rock. Who cares if the game has engaging mechanics, compelling storytelling, a hundred hours of fun, etc. etc.

It's not progressive enough, therefor it's super super ist.


I'm playing Morrowind right now. I can't imagine what they'd think of this game if it came out today.
"Slavery? Colonialism! Nativist?!? Religious strife? REEEEEEE"

Those are some spicy memes!


Got any more?
 
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And I would prefer you to stop using gendered insults for both sexes.

No, fuck off.


First link doesn't work in italy, second does. A rather short clip but fine.

Here's their chat. Which is what they called it. It was a multi person live chat, not a two person debate.

On it Sargon treats Spencer with more respect than he does "cultural marxists", and the have civil disagreements where they focus on their mutual enemies. And a reminder that Richard Spencer said Sargon of Akkad to be a great entry point back when gamergate was happening.

Did ya read the comments? The nutters are pissed at him for, uh, this:
2 months ago
Oh my god i rewatched this. Sargon is just embarrassing himself and making himself seem like a coward a shill or just a moron......not sure which. He prefers a future ofislamic slaughter of christian whites because hes too cowardly to fight now and nip it in the bud.............

It's rather clear that ya didn't actually watch it.

Citation on everything about Feminism.



Feminism is not about equality.

In the USA for example left identity politics is a reaction to right wing identity politics. Using institutional racism to maintain defects racial segregation means that classic liberals and people who want to improve society are going to class. And since the Republican Party and it's base is out hurt minorities, putting aside your differences and working together against your common enemy is a pretty basic idea. I'd prefer an internationalist cosmopolitan world to one with identity politics, but sadly nationalists and social conservatives are powerful enough that you have to chose a side.

Bullshit

Gamergate started out as a movement called the Quinspiracy made for the sole purpose of attacking Zoey Quinn. The founder effect results in this entire attitude infecting the rest of the movement. And since this group of idiots also hated Anita Sarkisian, they decided the movement should also focus on attacking her. And this basically doomed the movement from the start, since it started a war on two fronts and created a theatre of war where the type of people who hand out harassment and threats became the face of the movement.

If GGs main target was the video game industry, why were they wasting time going after peoples like Anita and Zoe? I mean, there was video game companies paying for prostitutes to reward game journalists for giving them good reviews, so why start a war with potential ideological allies in the middle of planning to taking on a billion dollar industry?

RIght, so you've done zero research on them whatsoever. It's the only way you could be so wrong.

The people extolling is a symptom of the culture war. When the concepts become normalised and don't result in a constant conservative gamer backlash, people will promptly stop caring.

Gamers don't give a flying fuck. They have never given a fuck when it's well done.

They bitch when it's shit.

But applies just as much to Gamergate. They don't want games to made if those games won't appear to them, attack anyone who tries to do so, and insists that "sjw's", feminists and "cultural marxists" are responsible for all societies ills.

GG has only ever attacked the media and a few journalists. And a game dev or two that have said and done stupid things.

I agree Anita is overrated and made mistakes in her views. The problem is all she did was apply basic feminist film theory to video games. She wasn't saying anything new and was never a credible threat. Do you view feminist film theory as an threat to hollywood movies?

The Gamergate decide to make attacking her a core point of their movement. Which made her into a martyr, made them the aggressors and showed the movement attacking someone who wasn't part of the gaming industry and had nothing to do with ethics in gaming journalism.

Made mistakes!? Define "lies" for me dear sir or ma'am, because they are not mistakes. She got, how much money again, $160,000 for her series? A series full of outright lies?

And frankly? If feminist theory is all about lies and halftruths to push an agenda then it is a threat. To everything I hold fucking dear. Truth, justice, and freedom of fucking speech are not toys to be used for your political agenda and then thrown out and attacked FFS.

All of those articles have "Gamer" in quotes for a reason. The flaws they critiquing were real flaws in contemporary gaming culture, which were amplified by being channel through 4chan. And having a decentralised movement based on 4chan with a public faces like Milo made it worse. (He though gamers were trash before he joined the movement, did so purely to attack leftists and get attention, and somehow become 10% of the movements favourite celebrity). GG had an image problem from the start, and the media didn't have a lot to work with. And one side having actual public leaders that use intellectual arguments and are under constant attack by sexist shitposters made image problem this yet worse.

In the media's defence, video games weren't as mainstream back then, and they were trying to critique the problematic parts of the culture. Because teenage boys hurling slurs on the internet is a pain, and the idea of gamers being all boys club where locker room behaviour was acceptable did genuinely needs to die. The media was trying to sell papers and explain what was happening to a mainstream audience, and black and white moral battle over the soul of gaming was what both sides were claiming. And one side was far easier to explain than the other...

Except that they're attacking normal people by putting that stereotype on them.

Want to know what they use as an example of people not falling into that? Mobile gamers. That's what they use. They're calling every core gamer a basement dwelling neanderthal.

And you wonder why that got backlash?
 
Honestly? The left are a bunch of ducks who need to stop quacking and go back to their rivers. GG speaks the truth. SJWs have infected modern gaming, pushing their agendas in not even subtle ways, its so blantant its insane. Any game that has even the slightest hint of having content that they find offensive, they smear with accusations of racism and sexism. Gaming companies need to fire their SJW staff, or my jimmies will become rustled.. You wont like me when my jimmies are rustled.
 
Kek "My side never did that. Those people don't count"

Aight dude

I'm not nor have ever been part of GG.

So... ya, my side never did it. I don't have a side. I just watch, and watch, and learn. I see political bullshit being shoved down people's throats by the press, I see the press being bribed by companies for good reviews, I see them not covering games because they don't like the creator, I see them attacking normal people.

4channers don't matter because they don't have power. Abuse of power is a far greater crime than sending harassment that can be blocked away with a push of a button.
 
God dude, you've written an essay or two in a thread you started with the title "How I learned GG was right" and the play here is "I'm impartial"?

Really?
He's not claiming he's impartial, he's claiming he's not a part of GamerGate. You can, oddly enough, be supportive of a movement without being part of it. Just as you can despise the fundamental fabric of a movement's existence without being part of a movement opposing it (FUCK. PROGRESSIVES).
 
He's not claiming he's impartial, he's claiming he's not a part of GamerGate. You can, oddly enough, be supportive of a movement without being part of it. Just as you can despise the fundamental fabric of a movement's existence without being part of a movement opposing it (FUCK. PROGRESSIVES).

Right, and shilling it online is part of it, unless you need to get your decoder ring in the mail for it to count.

It's not "why I became a part of gamergate" now is it?

Yeah, okay dude, you're uninvolved, you just feel the need to stan for it online :unsure::unsure::unsure::unsure:
 
Did ya read the comments? The nutters are pissed at him for, uh, this:

It's rather clear that ya didn't actually watch it.

No, I didn't watch an over three hour video about Richard Spenser. I'm nowhere near that masochistic.

I'm unsurprised at the comments, but Sargon gets negative comments from his own viewers when he criticises Nazi's, so I'm not surprised.

Videos

Feminism is not about equality.

The next sentence in the first video is "It's about the power to see that 51% percent of our community doesn't have the same chance as the other 49% of our community because of their gender.". The title is pure clickbait.

And second video is similarly out of context. The feminist is concerned with opposing rape, genital mutilation and forced marriages. She wants men to loose the power to do these things to women, and she thinks feminism should focus more on handling those types of things than on pressuring men to do housework and raise children.

Oh look, equality.


This similarly deserves it's own thread, but yes. Defecto segregation due to endemic poverty and lack of opportunity is the reality for black communities in the USA. The Republican Party uses the war on drugs as an excuse to persecute black people, while deliberately showing mercy to rural white opioid users (Trumps recent policy). And part of the base knows this, do I have to dredge up the Atwater Quote on dog whistling and the n-word.

Another recent example of this in other areas: Attempting to disenfranchise blacks in Georgia.

RIght, so you've done zero research on them whatsoever. It's the only way you could be so wrong.

Are you denying that #BurgersandFries and the #Quinspiracy happened? That a group of people based on 4chan went around trying to ruin the lives of women in video gaming? And that a retweet of content by these movements created the hashtag gamergate? Or is the problem the continuity of a movement when people like Internet Aristocrat were part of both groups, they were based on the same website and shared the same memes and tactics?

Are you denying that gamergate was fighting culture war against social justice advocated and feminists? Because according to the poll earlier in this thread, over 75$ of GG thought they were

Gamers don't give a flying fuck. They have never given a fuck when it's well done.

They bitch when it's shit.

They protested Castle Wolfenstein because they disagreed on the politics of killing Nazis. They protested Battlefield 5 for having women in it from just seeing the trailer. Unless your now agreeing that "Gamers" and gamers are different?

GG has only ever attacked the media and a few journalists. And a game dev or two that have said and done stupid things.

Bullshit.

Made mistakes!?
Define "lies" for me dear sir or ma'am, because they are not mistakes. She got, how much money again, $160,000 for her series? A series full of outright lies?

Making a mistake researching a game mechanic is not the same thing as lying. After all, you just misrepresent her claim. Does that make you a liar? (After research, her claim was that killing them had a minimal negative impact on the player, not that you get rewarded for doing it.)

She got that money because GG attacks on her made her famous. An attack motivated purely by political causes, which had nothing to do with ethics in gaming journalism.

Except that they're attacking normal people by putting that stereotype on them.

Want to know what they use as an example of people not falling into that? Mobile gamers. That's what they use. They're calling every core gamer a basement dwelling neanderthal.

And you wonder why that got backlash?

They were calling out "basement dwelling neanderthals" as not representing gamers. That was the entire point of the article. Which is true.

Game devs should have the right to make their games as they want them made.

Game journalists need to stop being lying bastards.

Game Journalists have very little creative input, and do not have power to affect game developer's creative decisions. Those people are called the management. They're the ones restricting game developers, not journalists. Do you not understand how video game studios work?

If you don't, there's a Youtube Channel called Extra Credits. The people making it have worked in video game industry and there videos how and why the industry operates in great detail. And no the, people paid to give video games good reviews by big companies aren't the ones making the creative decisions.

4chan ain't exactly a bastion of sanity. The craziest voices are the ones that get the most replies.

4chan is 75% percent of the movement according to figures presented earlier in this thread. It's where Gamergate started. This comment should logically apply to significant portion of the GG movement.
 
Making a mistake researching a game mechanic is not the same thing as lying. After all, you just misrepresent her claim. Does that make you a liar? (After research, her claim was that killing them had a minimal negative impact on the player, not that you get rewarded for doing it.)

She got that money because GG attacks on her made her famous. An attack motivated purely by political causes, which had nothing to do with ethics in gaming journalism.

She's stolen footage, said that the game incentivises playing with the stripper's bodies, and filmed herself playing the game as such.

So ya, she's a dirty liar and you are nothing but a fucking troll.
 
you are nothing but a fucking troll
Vyor if they were trolling they sure as fuck have done a bad job of it, seeing all the effort they put forth in their posts in responding to you when a simple meme, or video alongside a condensing comment or two would've been far more effective in generating outrage for far less effort.
 
Anuita Sarkeesian's 'fame' is based on virtue signalling. This is a person who made their image by bashing video games, and gaming culture, as misogynist and hateful. She wanted to expose its degeneracy with thoughtful critiques. The requirement to get started? A mere $6,000. The result was about 7,000 people donating $150k. Quite the accomplishment tbh. It sends a signal that people really supported her mission. Two hundred thousand people subscribed to FFreq within months of the kickstarter starting. Surely this is the beginning of a long and successful YouTube career. With many content creators starting with zero cash and grinding their way to an audience, Anita started with over a hundred thousand dollars to launch her series and grow her channel with a clearly engaged audience base to send her message to, with a LOT of support from media platforms. YouTubers have made big careers starting from nothing, and 200k+ subs ought to drive in significant ad revenue to support future content.

Queue GamerGate.

A lot can be said about that. A lot has in this thread. I'm not going to break it down for people on the outside looking in. Suffice to say people who were a part of it know what it was about, and other people will take the position their team takes because politics is a team sport environment. I consider it another small battlefield of politics and culture in society & everybody will say their side won. Like in every political argument the blinders can be on in full force.

But what was I talking about? Oh yeah, how everybody supporting FF is just virtue signalling. How is it that I know this you wonder? Well I can tell you it's a certainty. Feminist Frequency's supporters, subscribers & donaters are all virtue signalling to the online community and people within their small echo chambers that they support progressive values, but don't actually give a shit about any of the content they put out.

The Tropes vs Women in videogames is a great example of this. The first episode has close to 3 million views. That's pretty good. More than most of Sargon's videos I believe. The next video though? About 1.5 million views.. Skipping ahead, the last video in the series has a little over a hundred thousand views. WTF, where did the audience disappear to?? That's a lot of people who showed up for the start but didn't stick around to the end. Was there even an audience to begin with, or was this just the result of a few losers making a lot of noise?

Then let's look at her channel now. https://www.youtube.com/user/feministfrequency/videos
Look at the past 20 videos uploaded. They have perhaps 2 videos that clear 10k viewers. For a channel with 220k subs, this is pretty miserable performance. In an era where women's voices aren't getting heard & and progressive messages aren't being listened to, I would expect a bastion like FemFreq would draw in all the viewers that care about such issues. Yet nobody is here. Nobody in the progressivestack actually watches their content. The transgender & the token black girl that've taken over as host of the show are making videos about the culture war and nobody is listening.

It doesn't appear that the videos they put out even generate enough views to be eligible for adsense revenue. How they get funding is a mystery.

Oh but it's not. They put out another donation drive (this time thru their own website so kickstarter doesn't get a cut). This time the reward wasn't a new video series, but a FREE discord server. And they barely made it across the finish line!


Thank god that Anita can count on people to virtue signal as hard as possible and donate to her failing YouTube career one way or another.

Meanwhile you have a YouTuber like Sargon, who was basically the Anti-Anita for the start of his YouTube career. He's since started making content about wider politics with "This Week in Stupid" being his new weekly series. In the past 3 or so years, his subscriber count has more than tripled, going from ~150k to ~800k subscribers. His videos generate an average of 300,000-500,000 viewers within a few days of being uploaded. This is despite all the negative feedback he gets from the media & the progressivestack. What's really interesting in his case, is that progressives will start believing & preaching the words of Richard Spencer. You know, the evil nazi white supremecist? That's their trusted source about the nefariousness of Sargon of Akkad. Regardless, his channel has done nothing but continue to succeed over the years with some projections expecting him to have 4 million subscribers in a few years. Pretty good for a politics channel. That's where the Young Turks are now and they started a decade or so earlier.

I think one of the lessons here is a clear example is the rope vs ladder scenario. Pulling somebody to the top of society doesn't mean that their content is going to be any good compared to the person who climbed to the top using their own hard work. The minimum of $200,000 in donations that FF received resulted in a dead channel, tons of hilarious anti-memes, and a lot of back patting and high fiving from the ProgStack with nothing else to show for it. "I support women & minorities, but gdi their content is boring" is the hidden message that's ringing loud and clear to me. Use outrage & politically correct talking points to get a lot of head nods from the media to spread their message. If they relied on the content they make to get attention they'd have always been as irrelevant as their channel is today.

What's the end result of all this? More grandstanding virtue-signalling from progressives as the reality of their defeat slowly manifest. Their last hope now is that BigTech censors these people, because actually making content that's engaging and fun to listen/watch is something they're horribly incompetent at.
 
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And second video is similarly out of context. The feminist is concerned with opposing rape, genital mutilation and forced marriages. She wants men to loose the power to do these things to women, and she thinks feminism should focus more on handling those types of things than on pressuring men to do housework and raise children.

Oh look, equality.
That's not what the average feminist wants anymore, however. Usually they just bring out the wage gap and then it's all about oppression on jobs and workplaces that, really, they don't receive.

What you're talking about is egalitarianism.




As for the topic of Anita Sarkeesian...

Are we really arguing whether she was a stupid bitch or not? Because this fucking woman said that men their asses were specifically covered up in the majority of video games...
 
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