For the last time, summarise your videos. I am not watching a +2 hour video because you recommended it. If you want people to discus these things, start a new thread and actually list the points yourself.
Did you not see the Maj Toure post? I didn't summarize this one because it was live at the time. You don't have to berate me over nothing when I've given you plenty to respond to.
I did not interpret the video the same way. Due to personal bias.
I was actually commentating on your own question, and what it reveals about your assumptions, with my reply. It's a strange kind of audacity to assume everybody knows something you know.
The major problem is than 4chan isn't an apolitical group of prankster. 4chan is a hub of white power culture due to pol. If they say something is a white power symbol, they have the power to turn it into one. They did it to pepe and the milkshake icon. How is an anti-intersectional pro-trump tribal sign used by Pol posters functionally different from a white power sign? Identifying the okay sign as a 4chan trump supporter symbol, is extremely disingenuous when according to the video the same is board identifying it as a white power sign, and is also being used "ironically to trigger leftists".
4chan makes political pranks. They peddle a fake narrative to set-up the race baiting Left into a completely pointless and stupid conflict. They've been doing this for years. They also do completely hilarious pranks with no major political consequence, like starting the flat earth conspiracy, trolling scientology, and messing with Shia LaBouf. I think it's wrong to use 4chan as a caricature of the Trump voter. I think it's a cop-out and bad faith.
Look, when pro-trump people are committing false flag actions to deliberately escalate a culture war, the ensuing problems are on them, not the people they've baited.
It's up to the victims on who deserves the blame, IMO, and the victims are the people who's lives get ruined when they're targeted by SJWs for flashing "overt nazi hand gestures" when if you rewind that gesture 2 years, nobody would think that. The 4chan hoax wouldn't have done crap if there wasn't a reaction to them. And when others are trying to tell the mob that they're freaking out over a hoax, the mob doubles down. I know you're against online harassment. Is it OK to harass people that make the OK gesture because of the existence of this prank? Do the ends justify the means? That is escalation and that's a problem that has a lot of Americans worried.
Further, these false flags are happening all over the place. New Knowledge, Internet Research Agency, heck the US Military & there's certainly others. The real problem is the response to them. A false flag wouldn't carry any weight if the population wasn't primed to react to it. It's like Lawrence Krauss said once, terrorist attacks do less damage than natural disasters, but we don't launch trillion dollar efforts over natural disasters. A internet false-flag is so low investment for a massive ROI. The IRA spent in the area of tens of millions.
There are plenty of powerful actors with an agenda to spread divisiveness in America. Some of those people are on 4chan. It's up to us to be ready to course correct if we've been misled because it will keep happening. Each of us have a responsibility to treat the internet with caution and to use wisdom in how we respond to what we see there.
If you want to know why people thing trump supporters are racist nazis, that's why.
4chan has 8 million unique users monthly. Worldwide. That's nothing. Reddit, for reference, has 330 million monthly users.
Trump received 62 million votes.
Do the math. It's irrational to assume that pol is representative of the Trump voter.
It turns out 4chans actions have real political consequences. It turns out claiming credit for electing trump and while declaring yourself to be pedophile neonazi nihilists and harassing people online for the fun kinda makes it easy to galvanise peopled against you. Especially when people in real life start shooting up places on your movements behalf.
Theres a reason modern day politics are tribalistic and toxic. You asked in an earlier thread why the left is more concerned with their enemies than megacorps. It;s the same reason people accuse Trump supporters of being racists and neonazis. It turns out nazi-larping to trigger the left has actual consequences.
If you want to discuss social bubbles, maybe select a less political video? Or give your thoughts after video, possibly in it's own thread?
This is a perfect example. Innocent people suffering "political consequences" because people are isolated into their information bubbles and believe everybody knows what they know. Precisely why you wanted to know why I bothered posting a piece of "basic information," because "everybody knows this." Again, lack of empathy. Those marines that were attacked by ANTIFA or the cops playing a game, or whatever innocent action gets accused of being a far-right dogwhistle. I acknowledge that 4chan likes to cause America to be divisive, but I do not have happened any other time. You're right that today's society is tribalistic, but trying to blame it on 4chan is frankly scapegoating. This is a problem that wont be fixed by pointing the finger, this is a problem that has to be fixed by each and every one of us.
The pool of humanity is too large, and even if 00.001% of people are the ones that are susceptible to online harassment or trolling or escalation, in a userbase of hundreds of millions, that can translate into thousands of signals. A loud minority can look bigger than it is, we all know this and see it within our own "tribes" but grant no charity to the average person.
It is however full of people discussing the issues of you are concerned about enough to post a video on a site full of of ex-SB members to discuss said issue. If you want to discuss automation and how east asia's industrialisation affect the job status of people in the rust belt, this conversation already took place and if you want people to discuss UBI as a solution, start a new thread.
Sidebar discussion: What's the point of starting a new thread? This one is empty enough. I want to talk about these issues in the context of the information I learn in podcast. Too often do we all come to a topic from different points of view and having a single reference point that we can use to anchor a discussion, I think cuts thru a lot of confusion. And it's an experiment. We'll see how this evolves.
They have "economic anxieties". The problem is there really aren't any good solutions to their problems. It turns out when the free market is causing poverty and economic decline in an area, it's a problem that's actually hard to solve. Hillary Clinton offered retraining and was honest.
Retraining has a 20% success rate. It's a bad idea. That's what I like about this candidate, he mentions the data all the time in his argument. What doesn't work (retraining, college) the consequences of failure (people quit the job market, suicide, drug use, destruction of communities) and what we can expect in the next 5-10 years (more automation). I'd like to see more people reflect on it, which is why I posted it here to generate conversation.
Donald Trump offered protectionist tariffs and having the government subsidise their lifestyles. And neither solution is realistically going to work and give them what they want, unless the government subsidies them at a loss to give them the illusion of purpose.
I think the illusion of purpose is important to society's health.
Theres also opioids and young people moving to cities, but again a war on drugs is hard to win and having the government abolish freedom of movement is unimaginable, so there really isn't anything you could do.
We should change the incentive structure for doctors to not proscribe so many opioids. If you're a medicare for all fan that's on his platform too.
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump gave them tons of attention, the problem is helping them effectively is very hard and finding a politically viable solution is even harder. Empty words are not going to help.
Heck, you a libertarian and this a problem created by the free market. All my solutions involve the government. What would you propose to solve their problems?
I don't have a solution. I'm not an economist. I'm a libertarian because I'm against coercion. However, I'm a pragmatist at heart. Reframing UBI into "it's capitalism that doesn't start at zero" did a lot of work on me. Now that labor is effectively being phased out of the market, we really are starting from zero if we can't even offer our sweat to the corporations. I have zero faith in the education system's ability to prepare people for society. The trillion dollar student debt we have also sickens me. And when millions of jobs are on the automation chopping block, society is on the brink of destabilization. Personally, I think capitalism has to evolve completely. I don't know how. And frankly if we're going to do a stimulus package, I'd rather each and every American benefits from it directly, rather than giving it to banks and megacorps.