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its seems I have forgotten the danger of this thread being drowned withing the endless stream of Morphile's walls of text.
You called? I'll mostly just once again point out that it's a "less bad" situation, with Pinochet being not as low down the list as the Socialists.

As for my views? A lot of it comes down to being weirdly moderate in a way that pisses off all the usual sides on one thing or another. I'll advocate for a lot of nationalistic policy on the basis of governments being representative, and consequently condemn anything that doesn't serve the people of the nation themselves, and this carries out into wanting extensive regulation to protect consumers, but being in favor of hard borders, yet simultaneously having extensive social projects for necessities while rejecting direct price controls. I'm massively biased in favor of capitalism, yet want pretty much all the big conspiracy drivers chained down. Lots of catches where I'm largely in favor of one group's view, but reject parts often criticized by the opposition.
 
I would not put much faith in Europe either. We (I'm from the UK and still technically in the EU) got rich from enslaving and plundering the planet for centuries and now believe that a few nice words on paper and a bit of Beethoven makes it all okay while STILL behaving skeevily in Africa. And even in America today, police still kill black people for fun and is going the way of Brazil (Trump is a diet Bolsonaro). As for Nigeria, it has its own issues that are for another thread.

Liberal Democracy is something that the elites pay lip service to while continuing to behave oligarchically.

You mean the Europe that admitted they fucked up and is effectively speaking, 'paying reparations' to us by investing in our industries? And allows their own citizens to speak freely about their past fuckups while their own former colonies are having trouble admitting their own fault in some recent events? If so, then heck yes I'd like for Europe to centralize and make their mark in the world once more.

Besides, the French intervention in Mali is very much warranted, and the Lybia event, while still a fuckup, reminded them that there's no substitute to a well managed intervention.

As for the BS of the elites paying lip service, get the hell outta here. We have never been in an era of such unprecedented prosperity than in this current time. If the 'global elites' or whatever scapegoat is acting oligarchically, then they sure are behaving as the worst oligarchs I've ever seen.
 
You mean the Europe that admitted they fucked up and is effectively speaking, 'paying reparations' to us by investing in our industries? And allows their own citizens to speak freely about their past fuckups while their own former colonies are having trouble admitting their own fault in some recent events? If so, then heck yes I'd like for Europe to centralize and make their mark in the world once more.

Besides, the French intervention in Mali is very much warranted, and the Lybia event, while still a fuckup, reminded them that there's no substitute to a well managed intervention.

As for the BS of the elites paying lip service, get the hell outta here. We have never been in an era of such unprecedented prosperity than in this current time. If the 'global elites' or whatever scapegoat is acting oligarchically, then they sure are behaving as the worst oligarchs I've ever seen.

Oh my Sweet summer child. Europe's attitude to imperial policies which it is still engaging in is "we may have gotten rich from feeding your children to dogs but a bit of Beethoven at a lavish gala and a few nice words on paper make it all better!" Europe manages to be even less altruistic than the us, who are at least more open about what the cia did for big businesses and willing to admit Slavery existed.

As for "investment" it is basically corporate imperialism which screws over the developing world (and when they protest they typically get slaughtered by death squads). Meanwhile inequality is growing to such an extent that it rivals the gilded age and we are apparently told by some priest caste interpreting a few spreadsheets that the mammon of the numbers decrees we should be grateful for the scraps tossed from the table while the planet undergoes another mass extinction. Look at how neoliberals heaped praise upon praise for jair bolsonaro who will probably commit several genocides and destroy the amazon but because he is pro market they will fawn over him. And here's a question, when the environment comes crashing down, do you think that the political and business elites will care about billions dying from the ecological collapse caused by their business practices?

Here is neoliberals
Death Squads slaughter indigenous peoples/Local Farmers for the benefits of a few billionaires: PART AND PARCEL OF A FREE MARKET, GET USED TO IT! BE GRATEFUL FOR THE SCRAPS TOSSED FROM THE TABLE!
People protest this: [sobbing] why do you hate the global poor?
 
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You position would be fine ScreenXSurfer, tho people can hurt with words. Say for example an early childhood experience, with an intelligent hater, sticks with this child and make her feel intense fear, ruins her mind and feelings ...

Like hasn't anybody lost sleep or felt sick over concentrated, deliberate design attempt to harm them? Yea you can have the win and say wevs is worse great job.

Except you can't erase what how people treat you with the ways they talk about you, how they address you and how words can and do make plans for violence.

Thank you sorry, sure she's very boring.
 
You mean the Europe that admitted they fucked up and is effectively speaking, 'paying reparations' to us by investing in our industries? And allows their own citizens to speak freely about their past fuckups while their own former colonies are having trouble admitting their own fault in some recent events? If so, then heck yes I'd like for Europe to centralize and make their mark in the world once more.
Obsolete thought-process here. The most recent effort by a major European great powers to centralize and make their mark in a forceful, activist way were Nazi Germany (and look what happened) and the Soviet Union. Excluding the Russian Federation, which hasn't gotten to the point of Nazi Germany or USSR but has been engaged in some incredibly suspect acts in recent years.

And don't even get me started on an anti-colonialism rant...
 
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1st amendment and all.

I mean, if someones and ass, I think they're an ass and they can be private, but I don't see why we should allow Nazis to match through the streets with banners saying "Jews shall be gassed". Like if the US doesn't allow nude pictures in public, why do they allow Nazis?
The US doesn't allow public nudity becouse of puritans. I could turn this around in Germany and say "why do they allow people to fuck in the street, but ban the swastika. I don't think I need to explain which one is more damaging to my young daughters developing mind."

Countries have always had isssues being consistent.
 
Oh my Sweet summer child. Europe's attitude to imperial policies which it is still engaging in is "we may have gotten rich from feeding your children to dogs but a bit of Beethoven at a lavish gala and a few nice words on paper make it all better!" Europe manages to be even less altruistic than the us, who are at least more open about what the cia did for big businesses and willing to admit Slavery existed.

As for "investment" it is basically corporate imperialism which screws over the developing world (and when they protest they typically get slaughtered by death squads). Meanwhile inequality is growing to such an extent that it rivals the gilded age and we are apparently told by some priest caste interpreting a few spreadsheets that the mammon of the numbers decrees we should be grateful for the scraps tossed from the table while the planet undergoes another mass extinction. Look at how neoliberals heaped praise upon praise for jair bolsonaro who will probably commit several genocides and destroy the amazon but because he is pro market they will fawn over him. And here's a question, when the environment comes crashing down, do you think that the political and business elites will care about billions dying from the ecological collapse caused by their business practices?

Here is neoliberals
Death Squads slaughter indigenous peoples/Local Farmers for the benefits of a few billionaires: PART AND PARCEL OF A FREE MARKET, GET USED TO IT! BE GRATEFUL FOR THE SCRAPS TOSSED FROM THE TABLE!
People protest this: [sobbing] why do you hate the global poor?

Oh man where to even begin...

Yes, 'Investment' is screwing the developing world, so much so... very much so...
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Indonesia GDP

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Malaysia GDP

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It's in the title

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Disposable income in China.

And if you have a problem with the numbers sourced from qualified people, then whatever. I couldn't care much, I'm just seeing that these 'neoliberals' people always, ALWAYS hate on in the west always tend to like, bring visible results back home. They are many things, but a priest caste is most definitely not one of them. In fact, I'll reason that they are actually some of the best and brightest people we've ever seen, who's work tend to goes unnoticed because the effects tend to be very gradual in the developed world, but the results very much speak for themselves in the developing world.

Secondly, I never endorsed nor support Bolsonaro, and I have no idea why you bring that up. Almost seems like a Red Herring to me.

Thirdly, the people very much care about the environment, the governments VERY VERY MUCH care about the environment. They care so much this happened.
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And that chart's outdated, Nicaragua and Syria joined the climate agreement in 2017 last time I heard. So only the US with Dorito Mussolini is now singularly opposed to the Paris Climate Agreement. You can argue that the climate agreement wouldn't do much, but this very much shows that the 'global elite' who sends 'death squads' or whatever care very much about the environment not crashing down on them.

If this is part and parcel, then I'll gladly take the 'scraps off the table' or whatever. You are just repeating tired political slogans from the 80s and the 90s.

Obsolete thought-process here. The most recent effort by a major European great powers to centralize and make their mark in a forceful, activist way were Nazi Germany (and look what happened) and the Soviet Union. Excluding the Russian Federation, which hasn't gotten to the point of Nazi Germany or USSR but has been engaged in some incredibly suspect acts in recent years.

And don't even get me started on an anti-colonialism rant...

*yawn* try again man.

European states are still nonetheless very much centralized countries, especially so compared to countries like the US and India. And look at what happened to them. They are by far the most prosperous region in the world right now.

And I am from a former colony of a European Power, so I don't think an anti-colonialism rant is warranted, or needed.

EDIT: I screwed up, edited out the Indonesia and Malaysia GDP charts. 1000= 1 Trillion Dollars. The previous chart I used is GDP per capita, which is still a strong indicator of both countries' economies, but It's not GDP. Disposable income in Chinese Yuan.
 
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Death Squads slaughter indigenous peoples/Local Farmers for the benefits of a few billionaires: PART AND PARCEL OF A FREE MARKET, GET USED TO IT! BE GRATEFUL FOR THE SCRAPS TOSSED FROM THE TABLE!
Show me the death squads in Singapore.
 
@Jakarta

1) Inequality is growing around the world and the "solutions" of the Priest Caste of Financial Advisers is that the hyperrich should be allowed to write their own regu-Sorry, Provide Input, or scream that the rest of the world should be grateful for the scraps thrown from the table of the 1% who are gorging themselves fat from the world's wealth.

2) Paris Climate Agreement is Hot Air and you know it. I am pretty sure the species get wiped out so Palm Oil can further enrich the Mammon that is the free market appreciate a few spreadsheets. It's just a few platitudes to keep the public happy.

3) My Priest Caste is a snide reference to their dogma of austerity and how it binds whole continents in debt. They are the "best and brightest" who think that people getting sick of their imperialism justifes Rape Dogs and throwing dissidents out of helicopters. Or how about the Guatemalan mayans who were subject to Genocide because the "best and brightest" decided it was better than mild land reforms?
 
Yeah, and his country had a little war with the Dutch for their independence to boot.
In a lot of these debates, the people who are debating for globalisation are the third world people and the ones against it are usually middle class socialists from Europe or America.

Which is kinda funny.
 
In a lot of these debates, the people who are debating for globalisation are the third world people and the ones against it are usually middle class socialists from Europe or America.

Which is kinda funny.
It's because middle class socialist from Europe or America are retarded.
 
How 'civility is broke' and doesn't work. Take the post above, not right above, you know which one. which clearly, uses what she said even tho, she has no problems with jokes about sensitive issues between friends. Except yes, harassing her by targeting what she said, which this person does in public and private, to pour fake 'civil sympathy while really hoping she feels shy about posting ever again.'

Stalking any girl, which means read or listen or watching them to make them feel disoriented, targeted, fearful that they attack at any time. And yes, politely talking about how somebody's a child and, posting fake wishes when you stalk them should be punished some way

A harassers life being ruined when aggressive bullying via following to get detail with what she said, to polite like harm her, is a small issue to deal with they have ruin hers, because she doesn't do this to them, and civility allow the violation of safety to continue as long as the harassers say they were just politely contributing not call her out, forever and ever.
 
Regarding the free-market-atrocity stuff, that's an extreme outlier at best. The high estimates of Pinochet's victims, including the survivors of torture who vastly outnumber those killed, is somewhere in the area of 60,000 people. The generally accepted figure is around 40,000. And I'll again point out that wealth inequality only matters when the rich are able to abuse the general public thanks to their wealth and it is otherwise entirely meaningless, because what matters for the lower class is how quality of life has changed. GDP doesn't matter, what matters is cost of living.

If productivity has increased 40% over the last 5 years, then the cost of what's produced is going to drop, making it so that the workers don't need a 40% increase in income to get a 40% reduction in cost on those goods. And every bit the workers don't get naturally goes to the managerial class in some capacity, so if the profit has gone up by 50% off the back of that productivity and the workers only get 20% of that to there wages, then the remaining 30% is inherently going to the much less numerous managerial class, potentially creating the appearance of a five-to-one imbalance when it's actually a 50% imbalance, exaggerated by simple differences in the number of people benefiting. The increase amplifies the existing disparity when even, rather than creating it, and when split by employee category, the grunt laborers are getting "behind" at virtually all times because they outnumber the others.

The founder of Amazon is absurdly rich because his wealth is directly proportionate to the value of the company, not because he's scalped his workers. That's the enormous bulk of what net worth is. Owned assets, not liquid capital. A factory owner's net worth largely isn't the pay they get from their cut of the factory's income, it's the value of the factory as a tool of production. Net worth doesn't actually say anything about disposable income, because it's simply "how much is what you're known to own worth?" being given a public statement.

Except yes, harassing her by targeting what she said
...This is literally what a debate is supposed to be. Continually hammering away at your opponent's statements. If you consider attacking your statements to be harassment, you're essentially admitting an inability to ever debate because you consider a fundamental necessity of it to be harassment. Of course, you don't actually quote the supposed harassment, and it seems it was not a quote itself, so you're being worse than Rodyle now by not actually having any direct callout.
 
...This is literally what a debate is supposed to be. Continually hammering away at your opponent's statements. If you consider attacking your statements to be harassment, you're essentially admitting an inability to ever debate because you consider a fundamental necessity of it to be harassment. Of course, you don't actually quote the supposed harassment, and it seems it was not a quote itself, so you're being worse than Rodyle now by not actually having any direct callout.
Not going to quote the smart person, tho Senmut has responded to a past post by asking her to explain her views more then post "okay?" Like she didn't get ask for an explanation, Cray Cray making and doubt reality in her brain

And thank you for cutting to chase. She didn't say, that 'civilly making a post where you call a contributor a child," was harassment. She felt like she says, that message her fake sympathy in a PM is. There's no probs talk about what she says, except, ....

The person didn't talk about what she says openly either so, that he can kindly insult without being respond to passive aggressively. He chose to come in and, yes, attack her for writing a bad post

Wow, what illumination of discussions sirs, so. So. Hot......
 
Abortion politics should not be a choice between "90s Russia was the best thing ever for women!" and "We should make Handmaid's Tale Real!"
 
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