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Growing Horizons: Inner Sphere - Quest
- Thread starter Warringer
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Blade4
Apathetic Marine
... I dont know but see no reason we cannot. These are minor powers at that who do not have more pops between them combined than we do and we are simple larger and more industrialized then gain much and lose little by joining us. It will be a major effort on our part but absorbing them and circinus finally will secure our borders and vastly improve life on this side of the periphery.
Eliar
Well-known member
up until now only planets were eligible for the option.
I will not object if it opens up for entire nations/organisations but I believe rather different modifiers and succes ratios would be involved
Blade4
Apathetic Marine
Honestly i am not really expecting it to work at this juncture and the action is itself only closest fit for what we want. Both nations are reaching point they pick a side or it gets picked for them. Just coming to us is them realizing they are better with us than being jumped by slavers. The marians we can beat of for them but keeping them off, and the houses, is going to be a long term investment and if our troops have to be stationed there on at least rotational garrisons then so does our support structures and communities. If we are going that far we might as well uplift them. If we are uplifting them we might as well bring them in fully.
Eliar
Well-known member
Canonically those Periphery Nations are pretty independent mined, not that they had the chance to pick a protector on the original timeline mind.
Blade4
Apathetic Marine
Very much so but these powers are relatively minor ones who survived by not being worth conquering... And now they are. Marians were coming for them anyway with their delusion of being a new Roman Empire and with us here they are between us and and at least the Free Worlds. Again they need to choose a side or one will be chosen for them.
Durabys
A Cheshire Exile
If we pacify the Marians and eventually assimilate them and get the Lothians and Illyrians into the mix via diplomancing? We will be on par with the Taurians but with Terran Hegemony's industry and R&D. Very very scary for Hanse to try to conquer, even if he somehow gets the entire Sphere. We just then need to uplift the Canopians and Taurians and we could hold off the Steiner-Davions till the point in time where our populations, economies, and tech-level are equal and anyone would be called bloody insane to call for a conquest of the other.
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Warringer, could you please update the Informations post? Pandemonium as a freshly minted OCP member can be kicked from the Diplomatic Bonus section for instance, and I don't know if we have any plusses for the Illyrian Palatinate for instance. Last update was after Turn 37.
Also, hard no w.r.t. inviting the Lothians or Illyrians to join us. That's a dozen worlds between them, that's bigger than the former/occupied CF with their nine worlds. Disregarding the diplomatic difficulty of that endeavour (I wouldn't put the probability for that at above 25% including current bonuses but excluding extenuating circumstances), that would at least double our territorial claims, add a good 50% to our populations, and tie down our industry to uplift them for years to come. Yes, they're at a higher tech level than the other worlds, but they're also not at a tech level that they're interesting for the IS powers to gobble up.
Furthermore I can't see us inviting deka-system nations as not being subsequently viewed by other powers like "OCP wants clay" and souring our relations with them and our surrounding mono-system nations
That said, I'd fully support an Industrial Export action or three with our defence alliance members.
[X] Diplomatic Contact: Duchy of Andurien
Speaking of clay…
[X] Invite Others IV: Llyn Ogwen
Also, hard no w.r.t. inviting the Lothians or Illyrians to join us. That's a dozen worlds between them, that's bigger than the former/occupied CF with their nine worlds. Disregarding the diplomatic difficulty of that endeavour (I wouldn't put the probability for that at above 25% including current bonuses but excluding extenuating circumstances), that would at least double our territorial claims, add a good 50% to our populations, and tie down our industry to uplift them for years to come. Yes, they're at a higher tech level than the other worlds, but they're also not at a tech level that they're interesting for the IS powers to gobble up.
Furthermore I can't see us inviting deka-system nations as not being subsequently viewed by other powers like "OCP wants clay" and souring our relations with them and our surrounding mono-system nations
That said, I'd fully support an Industrial Export action or three with our defence alliance members.
[X] Diplomatic Contact: Duchy of Andurien
Speaking of clay…
[X] Invite Others IV: Llyn Ogwen
Blade4
Apathetic Marine
Not sure we should want to absorb the marians. We have far more reasonable people closer we need to assimilate first and they are are a bit far from our homeworlds and doubt want to uplift the other major periphery states. We just need to keep bulking ourselves up while keep building our tech and industry. Between the two minor houses and our own growth we should hit mini state pretty fast in size and combined we already can hit harder than a full on successor state? We should be doing pretty good.
Take a look at the map on page 1 opening post and look at borders. Our borders can be them facing the Lyrans and Free worlds or they can be absorbed by them facing us. This will happen eventually. As a strong state with lots of goodies the minor powers are going to get run over one way or another. They are now valuable clay just becuse they lie on the trade route to and from us. I would rather we absorb and uplift them as part of us than the houses eat them so they have closer borders to us. That and as multi planet nations absorbing them also lets us build up faster than picking of single worlds. They can define our borders with our neighbor houses and give us time to absorb and uplift all the smaller single worlds were the real problems will be getting them aboard. Will it scare others? Maybe but they should be scared already if they had any real idea what we are capable of. Push come to shove we could completely fuck up the IS right now and they would be hard pressed to stop us on top of having the best scientific and industrial base in known space. To the houses we are doing what they did early on consolidating and eating nearby nations until we reach a size we cant easily keep growing pushing up against similar size powers. Single planets and smaller powers might be concerned but we are not the house looking to stamp ourselves on them. Joining gets lots of benefits and local everything stays the same as long as it obeys agreed upon laws.
We just have to show they are better of with us and right now the Marians fuckery gives a chance to rapidly absorb the two other minor powers. By coming to us they are acknowledging the fact they need us to survive anyway. Why not show them the benefit of going all the way and joining the family?
Ridli Scott
(Verified acid sweater mutant)
Hello all, I just register in this forum only to be capable of properly follow and participate in this nice quest.
I have a question: Could we choose to make Diplomatic Contact two times per turn? I ask that because that could be interesting, right now members are important but also we could end faster the round of contacts with the main players and use these Diplo actions to make other things later.
For example, Diplomatic Contact with Anduriel and St. Ives or the Taurians (note that we are having contacts with the Fedsuns so McParanoid McCalderon could think ugly about us.
I have a question: Could we choose to make Diplomatic Contact two times per turn? I ask that because that could be interesting, right now members are important but also we could end faster the round of contacts with the main players and use these Diplo actions to make other things later.
For example, Diplomatic Contact with Anduriel and St. Ives or the Taurians (note that we are having contacts with the Fedsuns so McParanoid McCalderon could think ugly about us.
Blade4
Apathetic Marine
Welcome and yes right now we have two open diplo slots though to open contact we have to have contact and we dont with the taurians right now though diplo action i guess could be a long range expedition to try and make contact.
Warringer puts at the end of each turn update what action are available. What you asking i think you are saying better to open contact with all major players? TEchnically we have. We just dont have embassies with people outside of FedCom at the moment.
Right now ICly we only have vague informations about the majority of Periphery Powers outside of those we have direct contact with, the Lotharians and the Illyrians. We would need a direct Survey/Intel operations to go there and take a look, or wait until the currently two Deep Cover JumpShips get there eventually during their trade runs.
Which I added after there was some confuction about what actions were avaiable, seeing that We have multi turn actions going on.
We have had contact with the Major IS powers after Hanse suckered us into the Circinus Conference to deal with the FWL-Andurien War, which was the end of the Capellans and the raise of Andurien.
Ridli Scott
(Verified acid sweater mutant)
Well... The Combine knows us... more than we would have preferred thanks to the Kaiser, but sending a mission there we have not. All we knew about them was bounces from other countries and Comstar's shoddy cyphering. With Comstar outside the picture sending those missions fast is very important now. We don't know want the Taurians are into, we don't know what the Combine is into. Tomorrow the Coordinator would speak about how insulted he felt about the Kaiser words and several weeks later a district Warlord would know at the Kaiser gates with a couple of regiments for the glory of the Combine and the Magic Bushido Hands. Thank God Samsonov is dead... because he is fucking dead here, isn't he? Please, be dead.
Samsonov aside we need intel in Luthien, Anduriel, Taurus and all the players around.
[x] Diplomatic Contact:
- [x]Free Worlds League
[X] We need new members
Establish diplomatic relations with the League as they are major IS state that borders us, so we would need the relations with them as we did with FedCo
I also want to keep out technology away from IS for a little while, so I would try to integrate the rogue factions that came from our own universe before trying to invite others like Illyrian or Lothian. We have no control where technology provided to them would go, and we have to provide them in order to work as a single state.
- [x]Free Worlds League
[X] We need new members
Establish diplomatic relations with the League as they are major IS state that borders us, so we would need the relations with them as we did with FedCo
I also want to keep out technology away from IS for a little while, so I would try to integrate the rogue factions that came from our own universe before trying to invite others like Illyrian or Lothian. We have no control where technology provided to them would go, and we have to provide them in order to work as a single state.
He is safely dead, but keep in mind that the Combine would need to get through FedCom first to get to us, unless they wish to get around them. Especially with the quite wide FedCom corridor and the FWL not really on good terms with the 'Dragon'.
Blade4
Apathetic Marine
The combine as Warringer said cant reach us and is a little busy getting ready to be bent over the table by the FedCom. Now assassians i could see trying but good luck getting in when we should have pretty tight border patrols and customs. As for others we are getting there but we already have decent spy ability on most nearby and frankly we are not that threatened. Our navy is beyond their ability to attack us unless they all attack us and we have at least as many troops as any state does perhaps two states. We got like 450~ divisions of ground troops its insane with only our lack of transports and logistics right now holding us back and even that is mostly a lack of need. Our industry and scientific abilities shame the known powers. Literally only thing the houses have right now is shear bulk in pop and number of planets.
We do need to talk to the other periphery houses but unless something has seriously changed they dont particularly matter on the grand scale. Though trade links could be very useful.
Ridli Scott
(Verified acid sweater mutant)
Still, I think we need to contact the shit out there. And they could try to border the IS to jump on us. As far as I remember the Ricol did something similar in Trell, but a smaller scale, attack the planet from the Periphery, not the Combine.
And it's not like that they would believe that an upstart periphery nation could defeat them
I'm talking about the Combine, but the Concordat is closer.
So this is my proposal:
[X] Diplomatic Contact: Duchy of Andurien
[X] Diplomatic Contact: Taurian Concordat
And it's not like that they would believe that an upstart periphery nation could defeat them
I'm talking about the Combine, but the Concordat is closer.
So this is my proposal:
[X] Diplomatic Contact: Duchy of Andurien
[X] Diplomatic Contact: Taurian Concordat
Blade4
Apathetic Marine
Actually looking at the map on page 1 combine is a bit closer and again we are making contact hell we are trying to trade with them but they still dont understand we have a diffrent and fully functional tech base and we can actually sell them stuff. We got more than a hundred jumpships waiting for buyers and they aint selling because the houses think we are neobarbs trying to take them for a ride or something.
Ridli Scott
(Verified acid sweater mutant)
They aren't named The Scavenger States for no reason. Sometimes they look like the Greyjoys, "We do no sow"
Blade4
Apathetic Marine
That comes from centuries of idiotic zero sum games first enforced by the star league then on themselves uselessly fighting over a throne none could claim. They can get better and some do. Personally hoping we can go for combo of to dangerous to provoke and to useful to dare offend. Like jumpships. We start selling those we should make obscene amounts of money or resources and they desperately need the ships so cant afford to get cut off. Though first we got to get them to actually buy.
Ridli Scott
(Verified acid sweater mutant)
Also is a way to compesate for the Jump Ships the WCDC first and the OCP later were destroying.
"You are a barbarian! No one destroys Jump Ships!!!"
*OCP points at a fleet of jump ships in a parking orbit.
"See that? Want one?"
"YES! I wannna!"
"Then shut."
Blade4
Apathetic Marine
Yeah the taboo only formed because they realized they could not replace them and so many had been lost interstellar travel was at risk. Using being able to functionally casually build more is going to be a real shocker.
Ridli Scott
(Verified acid sweater mutant)
But that isn't business malpractice? The OCP destroys your jumpship so you have to buy another one made by them
Stan S. Stanman would be proud of the OCP business practice.
It's a pity that Mindo is already dead, could be funny see her foaming after discovering that the OPC is selling Jump Ships like they were pick ups.
Warer
Hopes to be a Cartographer Supreme
Finally caught up and its only...nearly seven in the morning...time for my first vote!
[x] Diplomatic Contact:
The OCP only has closer diplomatic contact with the Lyrans and the FedSuns and lacks any direct contact with the three other major powers of the Inner Sphere. It is time to rectify that.
Time: 4 turns, Chance of success: 70%, Reward: Embassy in selected nation
[x] Duchy of Andurien
[x]Free Worlds League
E:Huh 2000th post.
[x] Diplomatic Contact:
The OCP only has closer diplomatic contact with the Lyrans and the FedSuns and lacks any direct contact with the three other major powers of the Inner Sphere. It is time to rectify that.
Time: 4 turns, Chance of success: 70%, Reward: Embassy in selected nation
[x] Duchy of Andurien
[x]Free Worlds League
E:Huh 2000th post.
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