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European intervention in the US Civil War, Crimean War style

Vashon

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Like this, but not entirely stupid

The British look at the ACW as a wonderful opportunity to cut the US down to a more manageable size, and manages to acquire some allies in doing so. We'll say France and Prussian Germany and their immediate vassals.

They come to this conclusion in May, and start the process of gathering allies and supplies in June of 1861. The plan is to reinforce the CSA directly and also build up forces in Canada. The goal is a CSA thats independent, as well as "negotiating" other potential territory away, say on the West Coast.

The American goal is the same as it was, preservation of the Union. With similar political will as original. Things can change as a reaction to the situation.

Nobody is mindlessly marching to the hilt, but neither is anybody giving up easily. This goal for Britain and friends will take priority over most of what happens in the Balkans or the Ottoman empire. If anything happens.

Well, what do you think happens, and what are the longterm consequences up to 1950?
 

Rufus Shinra

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Do we get Dr. Loveless' giant mechanical spiders to support our forces? :p

More seriously, that'd be a pretty difficult endeavour on every level, with many, many points of failure that the Union could and would try to exploit. The UK/FR/GE alliance would be extremely tenuous at best, both in its relations and in the popular opinion of it: a war to preserve slavery would be extremely hard to sell to the populace there, so at the very least, the Empires would need to force the CSA to move away from slavery as a prerequisite to get support. Then the logistics of supporting large forces fighting against a Western tech-level military across the Atlantic... that would be painful. Even in the case of an Imperial victory, any long-term success would require massive investments on the occupied territories or a constant effort to balkanize North America, possibly on ethnical immigrant lines. An option could be to seriously uplift the remaining natives and try to push them as independent industrialized nations for 1900. Get the tribes to become strong enough vassals that the Western expansion is terminated hard, keep tensions high between a slave-less CSA, the Union, a few ethnical countries and the industrialized native territories? There can be a pretty big mess in North America for a while.
 

Eliar

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If i remember correctly the Crimean War was a complete and utter Nurgle infested mess for everyone involved.

A direct amphib assault in Washington would be the logical move to try and force a quick resolution, "short victorious war" and all that jazz but if Ms Cholera comes along for the ride it has the potential of becoming the biggest joke of all ages.
 

Vashon

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If i remember correctly the Crimean War was a complete and utter Nurgle infested mess for everyone involved.

A direct amphib assault in Washington would be the logical move to try and force a quick resolution, "short victorious war" and all that jazz but if Ms Cholera comes along for the ride it has the potential of becoming the biggest joke of all ages.
That is an amazingly stupid idea, and it would shock and appall all future historians. But its likely to be approved by the same people who thought Elphinstone was a cheery ol chap. It could also only work very early war, because later, Washington DC became a stupendous fortress that would only be taken by a severe and long siege, or armies of Uruk Hai and Jaffa numbering at half a million.
 

Eliar

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That is an amazingly stupid idea, and it would shock and appall all future historians. But its likely to be approved by the same people who thought Elphinstone was a cheery ol chap. It could also only work very early war, because later, Washington DC became a stupendous fortress that would only be taken by a severe and long siege, or armies of Uruk Hai and Jaffa numbering at half a million.
We are talking about the very same people that thought attacking Crimea was the way for a quick victorious war and actually lost around a quarter million men most to cholera and cold, because of course spending 3 years in the Russian Winter is the Best Idea Evah! so yea such an Op would be par on course.
 
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AllenWalker

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The whole thing is when this happens? Early in the war america didn't have much of a military and what they had was ripping itself apart. The arrival of hardned experienced european military forces attacking from confederacy terretory, canada and possible amphibious landings plus equipping and training confederate forces could very well knock out the union in a couple of months. If the intervention happens later or the union manages to halt the pushes things become a lot dirtier
 

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