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Compared with patients aged 0–17 years without previous COVID-19, those with previous COVID-19 had higher rates of acute pulmonary embolism (adjusted hazard ratio = 2.01), myocarditis and cardiomyopathy (1.99), venous thromboembolic event (1.87), acute and unspecified renal failure (1.32), and type 1 diabetes (1.23), all of which were rare or uncommon in this study population.

While the incidence rates of above risks are very low, the default setting for the above is even LOWER.(treat as technically zero apart from Diabetes)

So, the high risks of getting said events, nearing twice for heart and pulmonary embolism, which for the later can be a fatal event when out of hospital, well.......

Get your kids VACCINATED.
 
Thanks for the depressing news lol
Eh. It's just essentially a cry to get your kids vaccinated

There's actually some good news on the perennial sadness of American public health.


Copied from Sufficient Velocity.
It's a bit "early" to predict the end of this wave but we getting there. Hence as such, the July 29th update is useful.



The takeaway message seems to be so far, Omicron and the new subvariants has caused a cascade of cases and a trend upwards in hospitalisation.rates are low but because each variant has some evasion from the previous one, new vulnerable population is created. The virus burns through them before it's exhausted ,creating a constant wave of caseload in the hospitals While no extreme peak has occurred for the new variants in July, this means that the US system essentially hasn't had a break.

US death rates which had been trending downwards climbed slightly but despite new variants, has stabilised at 200-300 deaths daily. That's close to Biden "leaked" goal of 200 daily.


Barring any sudden changes until the wave exhausts itself, it's possible to argue the US succeeded in finally getting through a Covid wave without a spike in deaths, meaning Biden finally won one.

Good news for Biden heading into the midterm elections if this holds true.



The PROBLEM however remains whether the US healthcare system can sustain this new burden indefinitely.

A recent CDC survey found that nearly half of U.S. public health workers reported symptoms of at least one mental health condition. Symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), anxiety, and depression were highest (28%), followed by suicidal thoughts (8%). These symptoms were most common among those who worked more than 60 hours a week or spent most of their time working on COVID-19 response activities. Mental health symptoms were less common in workers who were able to take time off or whose employers increased mental health resources.
Yeah that's a problem.


The Omicron wave has been a long 5 month battle , with a mild dip in between for people to catch their breath.... Let's hope this doesn't repeat itself.
 

Thus, the pressures induced by vaccination may not favor escape variants. Conversely, vaccination may prevent the emergence of variants by limiting the space for protein sequence changes, as demonstrated by the apparent limitation of synonymous nucleotide diversity. The effects of hybrid immunity need to be addressed in future research.

Nuff said.vaccines don't encourage escape
 

It's funny seeing how BBC, CNN and others cover this because they actually snipe the most inflammatory claims FBI director Chris Wray makes.

He talks about Covid at 12:40 onwards.

Essentially, he says the FBI has the capability to determine that this was a lab leak because of the bio terrorism angle so lots of virologists and experts. He then talks about how we try not to allow weapons to get into the hands of the bad guys, and how Covid killing millions is the design .



Aka. Christopher Wray just said on Fox news that this isn't a natural lab leak, Covid is a bioweapon designed to kill Americans.


Kindy shitty version then. You needed Alpha, then Delta to get actual lethal numbers because we now know that China 10% fatality rate was a huge overcount when nations like Singapore started reacting to Covid, as Covid infected far more than it killed. It became 10% fatality amongst the elderly with Delta, and there's arguments that Omicron is "only as lethal" as original ancestral Covid ... It's just blunted now because of the immunity people had from previous strains or vaccinations
 
the ass hole needs shitcaned, well dress down then shitcaned, none of this is his call
 
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the ass hole needs shitcaned, well dress down then shitcaned, none of this is his call
Note that the FBI recent list of triumphs.


It predicted a showdown between Antifa and alt right at Charlottesville.... And said Antifa will start the violence first.


Having made that mistake once, it then repeated itself on Jan 6, predicting that the clash will come between Antifa and Trump supporters.



What's that saying? Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice , shame on...???
 
Kindy shitty version then. You needed Alpha, then Delta to get actual lethal numbers because we now know that China 10% fatality rate was a huge overcount when nations like Singapore started reacting to Covid, as Covid infected far more than it killed. It became 10% fatality amongst the elderly with Delta, and there's arguments that Omicron is "only as lethal" as original ancestral Covid ... It's just blunted now because of the immunity people had from previous strains or vaccinations

From a natural selection point of view, a virus does not "want" to kill you - it wants to spread to others through you.
A version of it that will get into your lungs and blood and murderkill you to death as fast as possible will predictably be out-competed by a version that just makes you sniffly but still walking around.

So yes, if this thing was someone's Evil Master Plan To Exterminate Humanity (Booowahahahaha!).... it was rather a flop.

On the other hand, if it was someone's Evil Master Plan To Cause Massive Economic Damage (due to the lockdowns, disruption of trade, etc etc)... then arguably it worked quite well.
 
From a natural selection point of view, a virus does not "want" to kill you - it wants to spread to others through you.
A version of it that will get into your lungs and blood and murderkill you to death as fast as possible will predictably be out-competed by a version that just makes you sniffly but still walking around.

So yes, if this thing was someone's Evil Master Plan To Exterminate Humanity (Booowahahahaha!).... it was rather a flop.

On the other hand, if it was someone's Evil Master Plan To Cause Massive Economic Damage (due to the lockdowns, disruption of trade, etc etc)... then arguably it worked quite well.
That's not how evolution works.

There is no active, conscious power working on it. Selection for less severity happens on BOTH sides, aka, both HOST and virus. We saw how it worked in the past. H1n1 1918 took 4 years to become "normal" flu.


The reason why Africans are more resistant to malaria isn't because malaria evolved to be less deadly, it's because those who were vulnerable to malaria died.
 
That's not how evolution works.

There is no active, conscious power working on it.

I did not say that there was. I know how the theory of random mutation and natural selection works. And RNA-based viruses mutate like crazy. The winning strain is the one that won the mutation lottery.
Thankfully, we don't seem to live in a world in which every epidemic is being controlled by a demon that is doing something equivalent to playing Plague.inc.

Selection for less severity happens on BOTH sides, aka, both HOST and virus. We saw how it worked in the past. H1n1 1918 took 4 years to become "normal" flu.

A mere 4 years, as I'm sure you understand, is waay too short a time for meaningful genetic selection pressure on human beings. Yes, it probably killed some people while others recovered due to genetic differences, but Smallpox it was not.

The reason why Africans are more resistant to malaria isn't because malaria evolved to be less deadly, it's because those who were vulnerable to malaria died.
People still do. Someone I was at school with died of it.

But Plasmodium is not trying to kill people - it just doesn't care much if it does, as long as it gets to new hosts first.
 
I did not say that there was. I know how the theory of random mutation and natural selection works. And RNA-based viruses mutate like crazy. The winning strain is the one that won the mutation lottery.
Thankfully, we don't seem to live in a world in which every epidemic is being controlled by a demon that is doing something equivalent to playing Plague.inc.



A mere 4 years, as I'm sure you understand, is waay too short a time for meaningful genetic selection pressure on human beings. Yes, it probably killed some people while others recovered due to genetic differences, but Smallpox it was not.


People still do. Someone I was at school with died of it.

But Plasmodium is not trying to kill people - it just doesn't care much if it does, as long as it gets to new hosts first.
You are aware that ppl who immune systems were more vulnerable to Covid died right ? That there isn't a fixed baseline 100% to compare to ???

You trying to present this as a only virus bit. It's not how evolution works. Humans evolve too. Those who were more susceptible . Died.
 
Kindy shitty version then. You needed Alpha, then Delta to get actual lethal numbers because we now know that China 10% fatality rate was a huge overcount when nations like Singapore started reacting to Covid, as Covid infected far more than it killed. It became 10% fatality amongst the elderly with Delta, and there's arguments that Omicron is "only as lethal" as original ancestral Covid ... It's just blunted now because of the immunity people had from previous strains or vaccinations

Right, and ya know, big if true because it did more damage to Xi politically and China than it did to the US. Even if it was an intentional bio-weapon, and I don't believe that for a second, or that it originated in a lab worker after natural exposure (They look for animals with the viruses and could get infected in the process) or an accidental exposure from a lab specimen that then leaked, it has hurt China's credibility on a global scale.

Literally a case of cutting off the nose to spite the face.

Independent experts, skeptical of Beijing's official data on COVID deaths, have been forced to calculate their own estimates—which indicate much higher and more disturbing numbers than the government claims. These estimates range from about 1 million to 1.5 million deaths, suggesting that, in absolute terms, China may have suffered more fatalities from COVID in two months than the U.S. did in three years.
 
Yeah, the results were mostly positive strategically for the West, pushing for the development of new biotech with major potential to protect against other illnesses, a reminder of the usefuleness of democratic governments, starting a reindustrialisation trend years before Russia pulled its shit or China became irresistible, made a lot of the far-righters look like the conspiracy theorists they are, etc. The US in specific gained the realignment of EU towards it after China went turbo asshole, while EU gained in the reinforcement of its legitimacy and powers. German and Swedish vaccines respectively produced by the US and UK with a French-based tracking system.
 
Yeah, the results were mostly positive strategically for the West, pushing for the development of new biotech with major potential to protect against other illnesses, a reminder of the usefuleness of democratic governments, starting a reindustrialisation trend years before Russia pulled its shit or China became irresistible, made a lot of the far-righters look like the conspiracy theorists they are, etc. The US in specific gained the realignment of EU towards it after China went turbo asshole, while EU gained in the reinforcement of its legitimacy and powers. German and Swedish vaccines respectively produced by the US and UK with a French-based tracking system.
Silly little duck , thinking that EU is the most important bit of the west.


The US going down idiotville is more than sufficient to showcase the degradation of the West. Meanwhile, healthcare manufacturing became more important than ever and in the Global South, this means India and China became more important.

Even as US became more reliant on Chinese logistics to meet their needs.


Ah well. Thankfully the US remains proficient at war.



Also just for fun.


To some extent, researchers often found it challenging to draw borders between groundless speculations and bold evidence-based analysis in CTs. Thus, unfalsifiability becomes one of the most valuable essences in understanding CTs and the most critical distinction between CTs and fake news
You can see how similar China and US conspiracy theories in government are in practice and how it's used in both sides.
 
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Well, it's not as if there's much more than US and EU in the West, after all. And most of Asia didn't wait for China to go wolf warrior to side with the US on this.
In terms of ???

Because Covid wise, most of us actually listened to the WHO and took precautions early. The fact that the WHO actually buttkicked China into going hey, HKU says human to human, which China then verified and said yes, human to human happened and how WHO has been warning countries in APEC to take precautions since 10/1/23 meant we were in a better situation relatively.

Getting vaccines wasn't easy either. China was more than willing to sell, but US grabbed mRNA vaccines so only limited supply came out of Europe, until March 2021 when supply from US was relaxed, giving us Spikevac and Comniraty. Leaving India Covishield to shoulder the burden.


The global south essentially felt the slap of vaccine inequity hard.
 
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In terms of ???

Because Covid wise, most of us actually listened to the WHO and took precautions early. The fact that the WHO actually buttkicked China into going hey, HKU says human to human, which China then verified and said yes, human to human happened and how WHO has been warning countries in APEC to take precautions since 10/1/23 meant we were in a better situation relatively.

Getting vaccines wasn't easy either. China was more than willing to sell, but US grabbed mRNA vaccines so only limited supply came out of Europe, until March 2021 when supply from US was relaxed, giving us Spikevac and Comniraty. Leaving India Covishield to shoulder the burden.


The global south essentially felt the slap of vaccine inequity hard.
You DO realize I was mainly talking about the geopolitical consequences of Covid rather than vaccines, right? How it eventually was reasonably beneficial to the West compared to China, with the vaccine bit being rather an example of the common work being possible.
 
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Just a reminder of how COVID doesn't have to kill you to fuck you up.


Boy who's unvaccinated as parents concerned about vaccine side effects, gets COVID 19, myocarditis and a stroke, vomiting out blood from repeated viral infections.

Parents seeking crowdfunding as likely to have exceeded insurance n costly hospital bills.
 
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