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Anti-Vaccine Activists Have Taken Vaccine Science Hostage
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Ravan
Gone
Just as a way to how important vaccines are, I'm going to post my favorite dramatic retelling of the fight between mankind and smallpox:
We will never know their names.
The first victim could not have been recorded, for there was no written language to record it. They were someone's daughter, or son, and someone's friend, and they were loved by those around them. And they were in pain, covered in rashes, confused, scared, not knowing why this was happening to them or what they could do about it – victim of a mad, inhuman god. There was nothing to be done – humanity was not strong enough, not aware enough, not knowledgeable enough, to fight back against a monster that could not be seen.
It was in Ancient Egypt, where it attacked slave and pharaoh alike. In Rome, it effortlessly decimated armies. It killed in Syria. It killed in Moscow. In India, five million dead. It killed a thousand Europeans every day in the 18th century. It killed more than fifty million Native Americans. From the Peloponnesian War to the Civil War, it slew more soldiers and civilians than any weapon, any soldier, any army (Not that this stopped the most foolish and empty souls from attempting to harness the demon as a weapon against their enemies).
Cultures grew and faltered, and it remained. Empires rose and fell, and it thrived. Ideologies waxed and waned, but it did not care. Kill. Maim. Spread. An ancient, mad god, hidden from view, that could not be fought, could not be confronted, could not even be comprehended. Not the only one of its kind, but the most devastating.
For a long time, there was no hope – only the bitter, hollow endurance of survivors.
In China, in the 10th century, humanity began to fight back.
It was observed that survivors of the mad god's curse would never be touched again: they had taken a portion of that power into themselves, and were so protected from it. Not only that, but this power could be shared by consuming a remnant of the wounds. There was a price, for you could not take the god's power without first defeating it – but a smaller battle, on humanity's terms. By the 16th century, the technique spread, to India, across Asia, the Ottoman Empire and, in the 18th century, Europe. In 1796, a more powerful technique was discovered by Edward Jenner.
An idea began to take hold: Perhaps the ancient god could be killed.
A whisper became a voice; a voice became a call; a call became a battle cry, sweeping across villages, cities, nations. Humanity began to cooperate, spreading the protective power across the globe, dispatching masters of the craft to protect whole populations. People who had once been sworn enemies joined in common cause for this one battle. Governments mandated that all citizens protect themselves, for giving the ancient enemy a single life would put millions in danger.
And, inch by inch, humanity drove its enemy back. Fewer friends wept; Fewer neighbors were crippled; Fewer parents had to bury their children.
At the dawn of the 20th century, for the first time, humanity banished the enemy from entire regions of the world. Humanity faltered many times in its efforts, but there individuals who never gave up, who fought for the dream of a world where no child or loved one would ever fear the demon ever again. Viktor Zhdanov, who called for humanity to unite in a final push against the demon; The great tactician Karel Raška, who conceived of a strategy to annihilate the enemy; Donald Henderson, who led the efforts of those final days.
The enemy grew weaker. Millions became thousands, thousands became dozens. And then, when the enemy did strike, scores of humans came forth to defy it, protecting all those whom it might endanger.
The enemy's last attack in the wild was on Ali Maow Maalin, in 1977. For months afterwards, dedicated humans swept the surrounding area, seeking out any last, desperate hiding place where the enemy might yet remain.
They found none.
35 years ago, on December 9th, 1979, humanity declared victory.
This one evil, the horror from beyond memory, the monster that took 500 million people from this world – was destroyed.
You are a member of the species that did that. Never forget what we are capable of, when we band together and declare battle on what is broken in the world.
Happy Smallpox Eradication Day.
We will never know their names.
The first victim could not have been recorded, for there was no written language to record it. They were someone's daughter, or son, and someone's friend, and they were loved by those around them. And they were in pain, covered in rashes, confused, scared, not knowing why this was happening to them or what they could do about it – victim of a mad, inhuman god. There was nothing to be done – humanity was not strong enough, not aware enough, not knowledgeable enough, to fight back against a monster that could not be seen.
It was in Ancient Egypt, where it attacked slave and pharaoh alike. In Rome, it effortlessly decimated armies. It killed in Syria. It killed in Moscow. In India, five million dead. It killed a thousand Europeans every day in the 18th century. It killed more than fifty million Native Americans. From the Peloponnesian War to the Civil War, it slew more soldiers and civilians than any weapon, any soldier, any army (Not that this stopped the most foolish and empty souls from attempting to harness the demon as a weapon against their enemies).
Cultures grew and faltered, and it remained. Empires rose and fell, and it thrived. Ideologies waxed and waned, but it did not care. Kill. Maim. Spread. An ancient, mad god, hidden from view, that could not be fought, could not be confronted, could not even be comprehended. Not the only one of its kind, but the most devastating.
For a long time, there was no hope – only the bitter, hollow endurance of survivors.
In China, in the 10th century, humanity began to fight back.
It was observed that survivors of the mad god's curse would never be touched again: they had taken a portion of that power into themselves, and were so protected from it. Not only that, but this power could be shared by consuming a remnant of the wounds. There was a price, for you could not take the god's power without first defeating it – but a smaller battle, on humanity's terms. By the 16th century, the technique spread, to India, across Asia, the Ottoman Empire and, in the 18th century, Europe. In 1796, a more powerful technique was discovered by Edward Jenner.
An idea began to take hold: Perhaps the ancient god could be killed.
A whisper became a voice; a voice became a call; a call became a battle cry, sweeping across villages, cities, nations. Humanity began to cooperate, spreading the protective power across the globe, dispatching masters of the craft to protect whole populations. People who had once been sworn enemies joined in common cause for this one battle. Governments mandated that all citizens protect themselves, for giving the ancient enemy a single life would put millions in danger.
And, inch by inch, humanity drove its enemy back. Fewer friends wept; Fewer neighbors were crippled; Fewer parents had to bury their children.
At the dawn of the 20th century, for the first time, humanity banished the enemy from entire regions of the world. Humanity faltered many times in its efforts, but there individuals who never gave up, who fought for the dream of a world where no child or loved one would ever fear the demon ever again. Viktor Zhdanov, who called for humanity to unite in a final push against the demon; The great tactician Karel Raška, who conceived of a strategy to annihilate the enemy; Donald Henderson, who led the efforts of those final days.
The enemy grew weaker. Millions became thousands, thousands became dozens. And then, when the enemy did strike, scores of humans came forth to defy it, protecting all those whom it might endanger.
The enemy's last attack in the wild was on Ali Maow Maalin, in 1977. For months afterwards, dedicated humans swept the surrounding area, seeking out any last, desperate hiding place where the enemy might yet remain.
They found none.
35 years ago, on December 9th, 1979, humanity declared victory.
This one evil, the horror from beyond memory, the monster that took 500 million people from this world – was destroyed.
You are a member of the species that did that. Never forget what we are capable of, when we band together and declare battle on what is broken in the world.
Happy Smallpox Eradication Day.
chimera0205
Active member
See the thing thats especially stupid about anti vaxxers is that even if there right there still stupid cause id much rather have a autistic kid then a kid whos dead from small pox.
Vaccines did their job too well sadly enough. Most people don't know the horrors of letting many of the vaccinated diseases out and loose, for them it's only history and at best distant memories...
At the barrel of a gun if needed.
ScreenXSurfer
Ain't no bitch who can do it like me
There's a sad article floating around about vaxxwr regret.
You can guess what it's about.
Poor children.
You can guess what it's about.
Poor children.
My parents didn't let me have a choice in the matter, my dad was in the Air National Guard at the time and my mom was raised as a 'military brat'.
Yet... that is almost exactly what you just did...
ScreenXSurfer
Ain't no bitch who can do it like me
As opposed to the conspiracy that the neo-elite want population decimation through a new smallpox plague?
Rufus Shinra
Well-known member
Sadly relevant to the thread title:
www.politico.com
The surgeon general, a well-known Covid-19 vaccine skeptic, faced a backlash from the medical community after he made the assertions, which go against guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and American Academy of Pediatrics. But Ladapo's statements aligned well with Gov. Ron DeSantis' stance against mandatory Covid-19 vaccination.
Researchers with the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and University of Florida, who viewed Ladapo's edits on the study and have followed the issue closely, criticized the surgeon general for making the changes. One said it appears Ladapo altered the study out of political — not scientific — concerns.
"I think it's a lie," Matt Hitchings, an assistant professor of biostatistics at the University of Florida, said of Ladapo's assertion that the Covid-19 vaccine causes cardiac death in young men. "To say this — based on what we've seen, and how this analysis was made — it's a lie."
Florida surgeon general altered key findings in study on Covid-19 vaccine safety
Joseph Ladapo defended the move, saying revisions are a normal part of assessing such analysis.
www.politico.com
The surgeon general, a well-known Covid-19 vaccine skeptic, faced a backlash from the medical community after he made the assertions, which go against guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and American Academy of Pediatrics. But Ladapo's statements aligned well with Gov. Ron DeSantis' stance against mandatory Covid-19 vaccination.
Researchers with the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and University of Florida, who viewed Ladapo's edits on the study and have followed the issue closely, criticized the surgeon general for making the changes. One said it appears Ladapo altered the study out of political — not scientific — concerns.
"I think it's a lie," Matt Hitchings, an assistant professor of biostatistics at the University of Florida, said of Ladapo's assertion that the Covid-19 vaccine causes cardiac death in young men. "To say this — based on what we've seen, and how this analysis was made — it's a lie."
Scottty
Well-known member
Rufus the Necromancer!
Prediction: gradually, gradually, the facts will leak past the dogma, and some of you will want to eat your words.
Or you can go on getting booster shot after booster shot for the rest of your life against a virus that is supposedly otherwise going to jump into your lungs and murderkill you to death if you miss your shots.
Actual, proper, tried-and-tested vaccines that actually work? They do not need you to get "boosted" every 6 months!
Aaron, it's been over 5 years, and you are presumably older and wiser now. Perhaps there are things you would like to un-say?
Prediction: gradually, gradually, the facts will leak past the dogma, and some of you will want to eat your words.
Or you can go on getting booster shot after booster shot for the rest of your life against a virus that is supposedly otherwise going to jump into your lungs and murderkill you to death if you miss your shots.
Actual, proper, tried-and-tested vaccines that actually work? They do not need you to get "boosted" every 6 months!
Aaron, it's been over 5 years, and you are presumably older and wiser now. Perhaps there are things you would like to un-say?
Rufus Shinra
Well-known member
Ah, antivaxxer conspiracy theorists.
The nice thing with them is that they're a self-correcting problem.
Scottty
Well-known member
Rufus Shinra
Well-known member
Except that they do, and in quite large numbers per capita, no matter how much they imagine themselves as smarter than everybody else for believing in conspiracy theories. There's a reason science-denying idiots eventually end up losing to educated people in wars and the rest: denying reality never works.
Also gigalol at someone being ignorant enough to think a regular booster or updated vaccine requirement is 'suspect'. Influenza gets a new vaccine every year for the new variants going around, but then, intellectual honesty is a bit too much to ask for someone unironically believing in YEC.
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Rufus Shinra
Well-known member
They do so themselves.
My point exactly, no need for extraneous measures