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2020 election: how can the democrats win?

Sarcobite

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So a thread to discuss how the dems can win the 2020 presidental election.

My idea? Fight fire with fire. DONT nominate a bland, disliked, corpratist puppet like hilary who has to stay on scirpt, and by all nice and politicaly correct, with zero divergence from typical leftist doctrine. You need a canidate with SPICE. with the charisma/notriety that can match trumps. This person has to match trump rhetoric for rhetoric, meme for meme. And PLEASE dont make their main arguement for why you should vote for me "orange man bad, liberalism/progrssivism good!" might as well admit to thorwing the election.
 

Sarcobite

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Go with a totaly non communist canidate democrats. The memetic road to victory will construct itself.
 

Lerticus

Senile Old Coot
Hillary hit upon something early on, yet failed to follow up on it.

"No, Donald. :rolleyes:"

Too much of her time was spent chasing stupid accusations, or trying to exploit endless scandals. A candidate has to be willing to treat Trumpie as he is, a mentally retarded two year old in the body of a fat old bigot. Like all troublesome children, you avoid being pulled into nonsensical arguments, and instead you talk to the adults in the room.

"Which scandal are we supposed to on again? Whatever. Look at the good he promised, and look at the harm he did to the country. My plan is not to [insert random Trumpite dream], but to [Insert realistic plan]."

Speak as little about the endless scandals as possible. If you do speak about a scandal, do not get distracted, but hammer on it until it becomes that meme, and no one can think about Trumpie's name without thinking of that one major scandal. But give his policies as little credence as possible, except to point out how often he failed in the past. If the candidate avoids playing childish games they can pull immense support from the vast majority of people who are dissatisfied with the buffoon and win this thing.
 

KeresAcheron

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It's impossible to find a democratic candidate that's neither a "bland, disliked, corporatist puppet" and "totaly non communist candidate ", as these two criteria are mutually exclusively. Remember the infamous communist Barrack Hussein Obama and his socialist policy of Obamacare? That's what your criteria of noncommunist candidate excludes.

If you want someone willing to stand against corporations, that person is going to be labelled a socialist in the USA. Because you can't both act against corporate interests and avoid the label of communist. If you want someone willing to fight the system, you have go with the actual progressive wing of the democratic party and not the centrist corporate shill wing your advocating here.

Like AOC is an actual charismatic and meme-y member of the party, but she gets constantly attacked as socialist since she's actually willing to speak out against the system. She's doing well because she follows left wing doctrine,and not by being the unprincipled centrist corporate shill your advocating.

If you want a spicy candidate that need to deviate from the establishment and advocate policies that aren't being implemented that people want. Which will get the person labelled as socialist, since anyone to the left of reagan gets labelled one in the political parlance USA. Your first post demands a candidate who isn't socially left or economically centrist, while your second post demands a candidates who isn't economically left. Good luck finding a candidate with such extremely specific policies who is charismatic and spicy. Because your going to have trouble finding one, and even more trouble getting them to actually inspire anyone enough to meme on their behalf as you've removed any promising traits they might have to avoid people who are going to vote from Trump not matter what.
 

Balerion

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The pelosi democrats will want to ensure that every single piece of rhetoric by every candidate is regurgitated through a human centipede of focus groups, and if one person on one focus group dislikes a single phrase, that candidate is out.
 

Wakko

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You know how a normal person can argue with a moron for just one minute, after that it's two morons arguing? Well, that.
Dems can win. Easily. They need to provide a candidate with Bernie's policies but at least 20 years younger. Then they need to absolutely forget about engaging the GOP and reacting to its poison. The GOP with its "socialist" and "communist" and whatever other crazy labels for everybody who's not kissing corporative butts just does not exist, all there is are voters and the need to shout at them, over and over, the good that the progressive policies of the non-establishment candidate will bring them.
 

Baron Steakpuncher

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You know how a normal person can argue with a moron for just one minute, after that it's two morons arguing? Well, that.
Dems can win. Easily. They need to provide a candidate with Bernie's policies but at least 20 years younger. Then they need to absolutely forget about engaging the GOP and reacting to its poison. The GOP with its "socialist" and "communist" and whatever other crazy labels for everybody who's not kissing corporative butts just does not exist, all there is are voters and the need to shout at them, over and over, the good that the progressive policies of the non-establishment candidate will bring them.
This is more or less my opinion.

Mind I wouldn't be opposed if some WERE proper socialists or communists but you take what you can get.
 

Baron Steakpuncher

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try harder
Ok then.

Simply put, Bernie Sanders is the (possible) candidate I align with the most, a tad too isolationist but what can you do. I also happen to see his initiatives as being popular with the public, and if the news polls I read today are correct then his previous problems with appealing non-white voters are gone, making him one of the few potential candidates who has a fairly broad appeal.

The problems with his candidacy are of course relations with the more conservative wing of the Democratic party (less an issue nowadays since many of his key positions have been adopted) and his age, both of which could pose a threat to a democratic campaign if things were to go horribly wrong, or worse dissuade small numbers of voters. (Similar issues exist for Biden un regards to his age and the progressive wing though). Really its the age that I see being the true issue, its no guarantee he'll make it through a full two terms given the stress of the job.

So at the moment, I see him as the best candidate. But if a progressive candidate with a less contentious relationship with the conservatives were to arise then I think they'd be the better nominee.
 

Rabe

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Ok then.

Simply put, Bernie Sanders is the (possible) candidate I align with the most, a tad too isolationist but what can you do. I also happen to see his initiatives as being popular with the public, and if the news polls I read today are correct then his previous problems with appealing non-white voters are gone, making him one of the few potential candidates who has a fairly broad appeal.

The problems with his candidacy are of course relations with the more conservative wing of the Democratic party (less an issue nowadays since many of his key positions have been adopted) and his age, both of which could pose a threat to a democratic campaign if things were to go horribly wrong, or worse dissuade small numbers of voters. (Similar issues exist for Biden un regards to his age and the progressive wing though). Really its the age that I see being the true issue, its no guarantee he'll make it through a full two terms given the stress of the job.

So at the moment, I see him as the best candidate. But if a progressive candidate with a less contentious relationship with the conservatives were to arise then I think they'd be the better nominee.
my problem with him is if he's in the WH there isn't enough power in congress to get him the policies he proposes an on the flip side if there already were enough there he would be just another dem, him shooting for the top spot is putting the cart before the horse
 

IndyFront

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Well, whoever the runner-up is, they'd be hard-pressed to be as activist and committed to beating Trump as Bernie was in 2016, so if Bernie doesn't win he better be the runner-up and the winner better not be an obvious corporatist warmonger Wall Street stooge while simultaneously lacking any and all charisma like Hillary. Right now my first choice is a tie between Sanders and Warren and my distant second is Kamala Harris, only because she at the very utter least is running to the left of Obama and isn't an obvious warmonger (despite her subtle Wall Street connections which seem to be a lot more tame than Booker and Gillibrand, because if either of those latter two get the nomination the Democrats are REKT)
 

Sarcobite

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The dems also need to drop that sactimonious arrogance that they will win because their in the right/more "enlightened" than thier opposition. They also need to stop saying "if you dont agree with us your racist/sexist/deplorable" etc. Because insulting the people you want yo vote for you is not a good idea. Also stop getting TRIGGERED by donald and making all of your media outlets spam "orange man bad!" rather actually talk about how you will benefit the people and make your own memes.
 

Balerion

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The dems also need to drop that sactimonious arrogance that they will win because their in the right/more "enlightened" than thier opposition. They also need to stop saying "if you dont agree with us your racist/sexist/deplorable" etc. Because insulting the people you want yo vote for you is not a good idea. Also stop getting TRIGGERED by donald and making all of your media outlets spam "orange man bad!" rather actually talk about how you will benefit the people and make your own memes.
But don't you understand, reality has a liberal bias and that means the Democrats march to progress is ordained to be inevitable!
 

Vorpal

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Basicaly dont make everything about donald, your only helping him by talking about him your entire campaign.
The basic strategy of deliberately setting the old political norms on fire through aggressive tribalist bluster and then resulting milking the media exposure to score political points has been standard since Newt Gingrich, so basically around four decades old. As is selectively trashing the media, the hardcore obstructionism, and holding the budget hostage, for that matter. This makes me wonder how the Clinton campaign walked into this head-first and to what extent they could have actually avoided it, in the sense that perhaps the media circus would have disproportionately gave Trump time anyway.

So basically: I wonder to what extent will the media will de facto allow a campaign that doesn't revolve around Trump.
 

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